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Victoria Wants A Bigger Medicare Levy
Aug 21st, 2015 at 4:44pm
 
Treasurers' tax summit: Victoria wants a bigger Medicare levy, NSW wants a bigger GST

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    August 21, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald

NSW and Victoria are at loggerheads going into Friday's tax reform meeting, with NSW wanting an increase in the GST, while Victoria wants a higher Medicare levy.   Huh

NSW Treasurer Gladys Berejiklian said ahead of Friday's treasurers' meeting that she would be pushing to increase the GST rate to 15 per cent, with households earning $100,000 or less receiving compensation.

Victoria's Treasurer Tim Pallas said that after compensation an increase in the GST would raise little, leaving the states as much as $80 billion short of the money they would need for schools and hospitals over the next 10 years.   Sad

"The Commonwealth plans to rip $17.7 billion out of Victoria's health budget, and $8.9 billion out of Victorian education budget over the next 10 years by exiting their responsibilities," he said.


"That's about $4500 for every man, woman and child in the state."

Mr Pallas said lifting the GST from 10 to 15 per cent would raise about $31.5 billion per year, but the compensation package would cost around $17 billion, and cutting the corporate tax rate might cost $11 billion.

"If you add in another $5 billion of income tax cuts, a lift in the GST nets itself out, leaving the states and their citizens still short-changed on hospitals and schools."   Sad

He will tell the Canberra meeting a better option would be to lift the Medicare levy, which is at present 2 per cent.

Australians earning $20,896 or less don't pay the levy, meaning the increase would hit high earners harder than low earners.

"We've done some numbers about what the increase would look like: an increase of 0.5 per cent would raise $3.8 billion nationally. An increase of 1 per cent would raise $7.6 billion, all the way up to 3 per cent which would raise $22.8 billion," Mr Pallas said.

"When you look at offsetting mechanisms a hike in the GST would need, a lift in the Medicare levy isn't even in the same ballpark."

Queensland's Treasurer Curtis Pitt is sympathetic to Victoria's idea. South Australia's Treasurer Jack Snelling is prepared to consider both the GST and Medicare levy ideas.

Writing in Friday's Fairfax Media newspapers ahead of the meeting, the Commonwealth Treasurer Joe Hockey backed a cut in the rate of company tax paid for by a shift to "more efficient taxes". He said a cut of 5 percentage points could boost GDP by 1 per cent.

Friday's meeting will also consider exempting tampons and sanitary pads from the GST and all-but eliminating the GST-free threshold on imported parcels.

Victoria and each of the Labor states will argue for an exemption.

"It seems incongruous that comparable products are exempted, but sanitary products are not," Mr Pallas said.

Mr Hockey told the Q&A program in May that he thought sanitary products probably should be exempted.

Ms Berejiklian is less keen. "We can't tinker with the GST with one-offs - we need to address these issues holistically," she said before flying to Canberra for the pre-meeting dinner on Thursday.

Both NSW and Victoria are keen to cut the $1000 GST-free threshold to as low as is possible.

Canada has a tax-free threshold of $20 for imported parcels, the United Kingdom has 15 pounds and the United States has no threshold at all, subjecting all parcels to tax.

Mr Hockey has previously raised the prospect of a zero threshold, with the tax collected from overseas retailers before they post the goods. The May budget introduced a zero-tax threshold on digital deliveries of books, music, movies and software, to apply from mid-2017.

Mr Pallas said he would support a threshold right down to the point where the cost of collection exceeded the amount collected.

"We will commit to the principle. We believe the threshold should be low, he said.


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Reply #1 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 5:49pm
 
Good luck collecting Australian Tax from overseas suppliers. That is probably the most naive thing I've heard yet. How many companies here collect UK VAT?  none.  There might be a clue in that.
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Reply #2 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 6:15pm
 
Why bother compensating for a rise in the GST? Just make everyone pay the same amount of tax on the GST. You lose too much revenue handing out "compensation".
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I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.
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Reply #4 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Why bother compensating for a rise in the GST? Just make everyone pay the same amount of tax on the GST. You lose too much revenue handing out "compensation".

The middle tier of the personal income tax scale was 30% in 1983. It's now 32.5% plus Medicare levy of 2%. It is the only tax scale that has increased in 32 years of reforms. In the same time, the company tax rate has fallen from 49% to 30%. Middle income earners have missed out.

If we're going to hand out compensation for a 15% GST, the best way is to cut the 32.5% tax bracket to 25%. That, combined with an increase in the tax free threshold to $32000 and abolishing the 19% threshold should provide all the compensation that is needed.

Hiking up the GST without compensation is not a good idea because it reduces the purchasing power of people on low and middle incomes and this stifles the economy.

Edit: corrected company tax rate
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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:00pm
 
Kat wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.

Increasing the Medicare levy would receive wide support if the proceeds was spent on funding Medicare.
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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:23pm
 
Bam wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:00pm:
Kat wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.

Increasing the Medicare levy would receive wide support if the proceeds was spent on funding Medicare.


How would you know? The levy currently funds around 25% of medicare costs. Increasing that to 35% of costs still makes it manifestly inadequate.
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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:23pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:23pm:
The levy currently funds around 25% of medicare costs. Increasing that to 35% of costs still makes it manifestly inadequate.



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Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Bam wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:00pm:
Kat wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.

Increasing the Medicare levy would receive wide support if the proceeds was spent on funding Medicare.


How would you know? The levy currently funds around 25% of medicare costs. Increasing that to 35% of costs still makes it manifestly inadequate.


How's your maths melielongtime?

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Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:32pm
 
good one aussie

spending on Medicare for the current financial year is estimated to be $19.0 billion and is forecast to grow to $23.6 billion in 2016–17

is estimated to total $25.5 billion this year, rising to $30.5 billion in 2016–17.

25% hey Maria?



And that figure INCLUDES private health insurance rebates

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Reply #10 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:35pm
 
Bam wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:57pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Why bother compensating for a rise in the GST? Just make everyone pay the same amount of tax on the GST. You lose too much revenue handing out "compensation".

The middle tier of the personal income tax scale was 30% in 1983. It's now 32.5% plus Medicare levy of 2%. It is the only tax scale that has increased in 32 years of reforms. In the same time, the company tax rate has fallen from 49% to 30%. Middle income earners have missed out.

If we're going to hand out compensation for a 15% GST
, the best way is to cut the 32.5% tax bracket to 25%. That, combined with an increase in the tax free threshold to $32000 and abolishing the 19% threshold should provide all the compensation that is needed.

Hiking up the GST without compensation is not a good idea because it reduces the purchasing power of people on low and middle incomes and this stifles the economy.

Edit: corrected company tax rate


If the GST was to increase to 15%, then either a drastic raise in all
welfare payments, or a 'show your Centrelink card' exemption MUST
be mandated to coincide with any such rise in the GST.

Pensioners, sole parents and the unemployed CANNOT afford a GST
increase at the current payment rates.
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Reply #11 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 11:19pm
 
Kat wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.


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Reply #12 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 11:25pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Bam wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 8:00pm:
Kat wrote on Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
I'd support raising the Medicare levy over raising the GST.

Much fairer all around.

Increasing the Medicare levy would receive wide support if the proceeds was spent on funding Medicare.

How would you know?

It's a skill called "reading". It's something you should try sometime.
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Reply #13 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 11:29pm
 
A better idea might be to look at where all federal funds are spent.

Private health insurance rebates and child care subsidies alone cost around $12 billion. That's 0.8% of the nations entire annual GDP year on year going into something that has no long term benefit.

Always seems that the answer to big government is bigger government.
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Reply #14 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 11:49pm
 
I've read the arguments and I've come to the conclusion that, like the GST, the levy should be abolished alongside subsidies to health funds and the money reverted to the hospital and health care system.

Arguments that you would never get into hospital for the waiting lists are fatuous, since what would take place then would be proper triage on necessity rather than on whether or not you are in a fund and can pay the docs more.
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