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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #90 - Aug 20^th, 2015 at 9:47pm Plenty of new ideas here:
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #91 - Aug 21^st, 2015 at 12:15am
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #92 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01am No replies? We should be doing research into Thorium reactors.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #93 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 10:24am Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01am: No replies? We should be doing research into Thorium reactors.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #94 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:54am Why, when electricity production is going the way of decentralisation. A thorium reactor for each house ? All that U238 being sold at Aldi, so to start the reaction.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #95 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:56am ____ wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:54am: Why, when electricity production is going the way of decentralisation. A thorium reactor for each house ? All that U238 being sold at Aldi, so to start the reaction. Giving u-238 would prove useless.
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Reply #96 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 12:10pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:56am:

____ wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:54am:

Why, when electricity production is going the way of decentralisation.
A thorium reactor for each house ?
All that U238 being sold at Aldi, so to start the reaction.

Giving u-238 would prove useless.

Is it U233?

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #97 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 12:16pm CHOPPER-INTERNET-GATE NEEDS A DISTRACTION
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Reply #98 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 12:26pm

Personally I have no issue with nuclear power of itself. The waste bi product on the other hand I am very concerned about. I don't think our species has demonstrated a consistent enough approach to minimising human error and to monitoring, particularly over the lengthy periods of time we are talking about.

Now upon reflection and after some research, I acknowledge that research into the production of nuclear power has come a long way. Arguably, reactors are in fact safer today than at any other time, of course, there is no indication to improvements to minimising human error (maybe we are the problem

). It is also arguable that nuclear power produces less overall waste, however, the downside is, that waste is demonstrably more dangerous by a significant degree and that waste is potent for decades (at the most conservative end of things), some nuclear waste has half life measure in hundreds of years and some in thousands of years - will we really remember to monitor this for generations?

So, I see some big risks.

I am curious about what seems to be an all or nothing kind of argument, meanwhile, both sides of the all or nothing teams claim, at some level at least, an interest in discovery, new technology and/or knowledge.

I wonder if renewable energy can't be more broadly researched.

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Reply #99 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm

____ wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 11:54am:

Why, when electricity production is going the way of decentralisation.
A thorium reactor for each house ?
All that U238 being sold at Aldi, so to start the reaction.

If I watch the videos I see that Thorium reactors
could be made a lot smaller that the giant monoliths
we see nowadays.

Maybe we could have one in every suburb providing
power for 10,000 homes with one tiny & very safe reactor?

Research has to be done.
China & India are putting their money into it.
The Yanks aren't - they are sticking with the
dirty technology of Uranium.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #100 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:40am
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Reply #101 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:42am

Published on Jan 8, 2015

Kirk Sorensen stumbled across thorium while doing research on how to power a lunar community. Thorium is a cleaner, safer, and more abundant nuclear fuel—one that Kirk believes will revolutionize how we produce our energy.

Kirk Sorensen began his work with thorium while working as an aerospace engineer at NASA. In 2010, he left NASA to work as the chief nuclear technologist at Teledyne Brown Engineering. In 2011, he founded Flibe, a company focused on developing modular thorium reactors.

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Reply #102 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:05am

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Personally I have no issue with nuclear power of itself. The waste bi product on the other hand I am very concerned about. I don't think our species has demonstrated a consistent enough approach to minimising human error and to monitoring, particularly over the lengthy periods of time we are talking about.

Now upon reflection and after some research, I acknowledge that research into the production of nuclear power has come a long way. Arguably, reactors are in fact safer today than at any other time, of course, there is no indication to improvements to minimising human error (maybe we are the problem

). It is also arguable that nuclear power produces less overall waste, however, the downside is, that waste is demonstrably more dangerous by a significant degree and that waste is potent for decades (at the most conservative end of things), some nuclear waste has half life measure in hundreds of years and some in thousands of years - will we really remember to monitor this for generations?

So, I see some big risks.

I am curious about what seems to be an all or nothing kind of argument, meanwhile, both sides of the all or nothing teams claim, at some level at least, an interest in discovery, new technology and/or knowledge.

I wonder if renewable energy can't be more broadly researched.

The best reason to use Liquid fluoride thorium reactors is that they can actually use, or rather reuse, the by-products (nuclear waste) from the more 'traditional' solid fuel reactors.

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Reply #103 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:05am:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Personally I have no issue with nuclear power of itself. The waste bi product on the other hand I am very concerned about. I don't think our species has demonstrated a consistent enough approach to minimising human error and to monitoring, particularly over the lengthy periods of time we are talking about.

Now upon reflection and after some research, I acknowledge that research into the production of nuclear power has come a long way. Arguably, reactors are in fact safer today than at any other time, of course, there is no indication to improvements to minimising human error (maybe we are the problem

). It is also arguable that nuclear power produces less overall waste, however, the downside is, that waste is demonstrably more dangerous by a significant degree and that waste is potent for decades (at the most conservative end of things), some nuclear waste has half life measure in hundreds of years and some in thousands of years - will we really remember to monitor this for generations?

So, I see some big risks.

I am curious about what seems to be an all or nothing kind of argument, meanwhile, both sides of the all or nothing teams claim, at some level at least, an interest in discovery, new technology and/or knowledge.

I wonder if renewable energy can't be more broadly researched.

The best reason to use Liquid fluoride thorium reactors is that they can actually use, or rather reuse, the by-products (nuclear waste) from the more 'traditional' solid fuel reactors.

Good post Gizmo.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia needs nuclear power Reply #104 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:27pm How Thorium can save the world: Salim Zwein at TEDxBeirut 2012
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