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Reply #3690 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
It really is quite extraordinary.

I would never have believed Trump could attract so many votes right across the length and breadth of America - and I had that thought before he went on a rampage about the need to stop any further Muslim immigration and how the Hispanics up from the south have brought with them a biblical plague of crime to rival that of the Italian Mafia.





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Reply #3691 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
I would never have believed Trump could attract so many votes right across the length and breadth of America - and I had that thought before he went on a rampage about the need to stop any further Muslim immigration


Herb, ever wonder why he's completely silent on the muslim issue now? When was the last time we heard him say anything about banning muslim immigration?

I don't think its a coincidence at all that the broadening of his support base has coincided with him dropping the muslim issue.

The new Trump: from anti-political correctness warrior to spineless lefty:

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Donald Trump on Monday joined about 60 members of his newly-formed "diversity coalition" for a photo op in Trump Tower aimed at countering criticism that the real estate mogul's presidential campaign has inflamed racial tensions and stirred Islamophobia.

About 60 individuals representing a cross-section of minority communities who have largely rejected the criticism of Trump's contentious campaign rhetoric -- including African-Americans, Hispanics and Muslims -- gathered in the lobby of Trump's Fifth Avenue building.


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In his remarks, Trump touted the gathering as a testament to his ability to unify what he views as a divided country.
"This is real diversity," Trump said. "It's really about bringing people together."
The gathering included black, Muslim, Sikh, Hispanic and Native American Trump supporters -- all of whom readily chatted with reporters and rejected criticism that Trump's campaign message has any undertones of prejudice.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/donald-trump-diversity-coalition-meet...

Grin Grin read it and weep Trump fan-boys.
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Re: Trump still the front runner
Reply #3692 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 5:38pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
Grin Grin read it and weep Trump fan-boys.



Why would we weep?  The haters are the ones who want him to be Hitler incarnate.
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Reply #3693 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 6:16pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:36pm:
I would never have believed Trump could attract so many votes right across the length and breadth of America - and I had that thought before he went on a rampage about the need to stop any further Muslim immigration


Herb, ever wonder why he's completely silent on the muslim issue now? When was the last time we heard him say anything about banning muslim immigration?

I don't think its a coincidence at all that the broadening of his support base has coincided with him dropping the muslim issue.

The new Trump: from anti-political correctness warrior to spineless lefty:

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Donald Trump on Monday joined about 60 members of his newly-formed "diversity coalition" for a photo op in Trump Tower aimed at countering criticism that the real estate mogul's presidential campaign has inflamed racial tensions and stirred Islamophobia.

About 60 individuals representing a cross-section of minority communities who have largely rejected the criticism of Trump's contentious campaign rhetoric -- including African-Americans, Hispanics and Muslims -- gathered in the lobby of Trump's Fifth Avenue building.


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In his remarks, Trump touted the gathering as a testament to his ability to unify what he views as a divided country.
"This is real diversity," Trump said. "It's really about bringing people together."
The gathering included black, Muslim, Sikh, Hispanic and Native American Trump supporters -- all of whom readily chatted with reporters and rejected criticism that Trump's campaign message has any undertones of prejudice.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/donald-trump-diversity-coalition-meet...

Grin Grin read it and weep Trump fan-boys.




Its just that pesky Right versus Left thing again, Right and Left politics is more powerful than Nationalism, Right wing Muslims and Mexicans will vote for Trump and Left wing Muslims and Mexicans will vote for the devil, its something that transcends borders, my lot would be better served by siding with a Right wing Muslim than siding with an Aussie Left wing kook, and vice versa, the Left are throwing their lot in with the Muslim terrorists as they believe that their ultimate aims are essentially the same.

The Right on the other hand will embrace Muslims that are critical of their crazy dumb arse low IQ Muslim brothers that want to implement the law of the jungle. 
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Re: Trump still the front runner
Reply #3694 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 6:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
Herb, ever wonder why he's completely silent on the muslim issue now? When was the last time we heard him say anything about banning muslim immigration?


Well, he hardly needs to repeat himself on that score does he? He made the comments a couple of times - and then the media has since been repeating that as a political Hanging Rope a million times.

(I would let you in, gandalf - but only after you had recanted Islam - and reversed your opinion that the Earth revolves around the Sun ... (think Galileo) ...  Cool)

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
I don't think its a coincidence at all that the broadening of his support base has coincided with him dropping the muslim issue.


There's no doubt the fellow has presented himself as a maverick and a renegade - and even as Captain America - and I'm really looking forward to reading someone's dissertation on who in the US electorate has been rallying to him, what demographic, and are these people ANGRY or just want to enjoy the entertainment of seeing a flash character like Trump play the bull-in-the-China-shop in the Oval Office.

I confess that personally I'm looking forward to the entertainment value of having a circus performer like Trump raging through the Corridors of Power.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
The new Trump: from anti-political correctness warrior to spineless lefty:


Grin Grin Grin



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Donald Trump on Monday joined about 60 members of his newly-formed "diversity coalition" for a photo op in Trump Tower aimed at countering criticism that the real estate mogul's presidential campaign has inflamed racial tensions and stirred Islamophobia.

About 60 individuals representing a cross-section of minority communities who have largely rejected the criticism of Trump's contentious campaign rhetoric -- including African-Americans, Hispanics and Muslims -- gathered in the lobby of Trump's Fifth Avenue building.


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In his remarks, Trump touted the gathering as a testament to his ability to unify what he views as a divided country.
"This is real diversity," Trump said. "It's really about bringing people together."
The gathering included black, Muslim, Sikh, Hispanic and Native American Trump supporters -- all of whom readily chatted with reporters and rejected criticism that Trump's campaign message has any undertones of prejudice.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/donald-trump-diversity-coalition-meet...

Grin Grin read it and weep Trump fan-boys. [/quote]

My Great Hope with a Trump election is that he will create jobs for the African-Americans who for so long now have been side-lined due to the Hispanic human flood up from across the border.


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Reply #3695 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 11:09pm
 
what are you thinking?  Grin

Yes it is quite an amusement, from this remove. Just as long as it is a fantasy, it is hilarious.

Need I repeat myself? 

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Reply #3696 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 6:03am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
My Great Hope with a Trump election is that he will create jobs for the African-Americans who for so long now have been side-lined due to the Hispanic human flood up from across the border.



It won't happen quite that way.

The problem with the African Americans isn't the border, but African Americans themselves in general, from a lack of aptitude, to a lack of decency, to a social culture of black racial privileges inculcated by the callow people who foster it.

Employers do not hire African Americans as a matter of business sense, if not common sense. 

Not all people who are black regard themselves as "African Americans" btw.  We hire Americans who happen to be black but they're not what you're referring to, and thus, I will no longer refer to them in this response.

There is an entire infrastructure, a multi-billion dollar shakedown industry for African Americans to exert racial advantages by agitation, frivolous lawsuits,"slip and fall" hoaxes similar to the Michelle Fields hoax, etc and ultimately violence.  The only reason it's been less common for blacks to throw around "racism" charges at their employers and colleagues recently (even black colleagues) is because there have been fewer and fewer new hires from the "black community" as they've been phased out.  The entry level jobs have gone mostly to people who don't pose such a risk.   As generational turnover persists, there are fewer African Americans in the modern workforce.

It's basic risk management.  More than that, it's good business.

Putting aside credentialism, worker compensation, benefits, etc:

I don't need someone who can't work with other people because "they're not black enough" or "you don't know me" (whatever that means), then won't accept my authority because of my race, then accuse me of "racism" when I confront him with getting fired for sub-standard performance and disruption, then has the "right" to ransack my office while the media and politicians navel gaze.  Whenever people like that (of any race) don't get what they want, they make trouble, and ultimately run riot.  And that is as much a black privilege as it is an LGBT privilege, feminist privilege, latino privilege, etc. 

Best to avoid such cultures to begin with and not hire them in the first place.

And therein lies the best way that Trump  can "create jobs for African Americans" and any other person infected with this kind of entitlement syndrome ("black culture" being emblematic of this).  Trump can crack down on racial privileges - among them the black privilege of running roughshod over other people and rioting whenever they try to exert their self-professed "moral superiority" by - say - blockading a highway during rush hour, or looting a convenience store before burning it down. 

Shoot the looters, the arsonists, the thugs, and lock up the rest who survive.

Then call them out in public and defend - to the hilt - the police and guardsmen who shoot the criminals (many of whom will undoubtedly be women and "children").

This is why the Lewandowski episode is only the smallest test of Trump's resolve.  It's nothing compared to what he'll need to do if he really wants to "enforce the border" or "create jobs for African Americans".

Border enforcement itself will provide some impetus to hiring low-skilled African Americans to replace Mexicans, but it won't be enough.  After all, blacks will have to eat a lot of pride to be willing to be housemaids and agricultural laborers again.  Most such employers (including blacks) refuse to hire "African-Americans" knowing this. 

Ultimately, most of the "unemployable" won't have the motivation to find (and keep) jobs until some of their entitlements and payoffs have been exhausted, some privileges revoked, and their benefits for not working rescinded.  It doesn''t have to happen all at once, but removing the avenue to use violence to wring benefits (otherwise called "blackmail" and "theft") have to be removed. 

If not, why would people like us take the risk of hiring them.  I'd drink Cyanide before hiring someone like Michelle Fields or any other entitlement monster with a billion dollar grievance industry and media looming over our company.

Because whenever Americans even hint that they'll stop kowtowing to these kinds of shenanigans, the "black community" typically riots to see what they can get away with.

What will happen this time with Trump in the Oval Office?

I have hope, because even a little resolve would alleviate some dysfunction.  On the other hand, I'm not holding my breath, so I won't look twice at a resume with ebonic grammar or someone with African studies in their college transcript.

But this is the only way to "create jobs for African-Americans" in any meaningful sense.  It means telling them the EBT card is maxxed out, and confronting these people with same choice any child faces before he passes into adulthood:

Sink or swim.

Because we're not going down with you.
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Reply #3697 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 8:51am
 
Good post, Terry. A lot to consider there.

I've been a long-time fan/student of the American documentary series Undercover Boss - and what I've seen of the Afros in those docos has impressed me greatly. Hard working, able to take responsibility, self-motivating, excellent when interacting with the customers, cheerful and friendly in their roles in the service industries ... and this while working long hours on their feet for lousy pay.

I'm trying to reconcile these blacks with the comments you've made. It must be that those I saw on the program are the exception rather than the rule, and by a process of repeated sackings and hirings these 'quality' employees finally made their appearance as being wholly suitable for the work being asked of them.


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I just needed to clear up some misconceptions of the Donald's "WALL" issue some here seem to be alluding to.

First of all, I am not a follower of his, I always had a problem with his asinine personality, but he does make some good points that I can agree with, this "WALL" issue is one.

The "WALL" will not be built, as some seem to think, to keep the hard working Mexicans fruit pickers & maids out....no, they aren't the issue. That said...Yes, illegal immigration is a distinct problem on Americas southern border, but it's the drug smuggling employees of the Mexican Drug Lords that need to be stopped. That's one reason the "WALL" will, & should be built. Oh, & contrary to the Trump boasting, Americans will be footing the bill whether they like it or not!

Secondly, do you think for one minute that the only people that cross America's southern border with Mexico are fruit pickers & maids? If you do, then you live in a vacuum of naivety.

The reason the "WALL" will be built is to stop known criminals, be they Mexican or any other nationality, & to stop those that wish to cross America's southern borders with the sole purpose of killing American's. They may look brownish like most Mexicans, dress in a poncho, wear sombreros, & they may have a fair ability to speak some Mexican, but the one's the "WALL" is aimed at stopping are the jihadists who want to blend in with the Mexican fruit pickers & maids, the Hondurans, the Ecuadorians, & so on.

I think Americans agree with the idea of the "WALL" because they believe everybody should be stopped from just waltzing across their border, & by doing so it keeps those who have jihad & drug smuggling on their mind out in the process. They believe nobody has a given right to enter their country illegally, without American permission, & with that I agree with them......just like we do here in Australia.

I don't think American's .... including Trump ... have a problem with Mexicans per se, just as long as they submit to the process of "legal" entry, & get in the  queue,  like over 90% of their immigrant ancestors did during the 19th & 20th centuries.



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Reply #3699 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
Indeed, except the criminals in Mexico are generally smarter than a wall
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21st, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Indeed, except the criminals in Mexico are generally smarter than a wall


One would have to expect something like properly spaced towers along the wall where surveillance by well armed Border Patrol Police & CCTV would go a long way in hindering your dear friends Blowjack, & if they're as smart as you they'd get picked up quick smart or shot dead whichever is the flavor of the day.   Grin Grin Grin    Tongue
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Reply #3701 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 12:53pm
 
Yes or they could justgo round it.
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Or dig tunnels under it, or fly over it, you know the way Colombians got their drugs in
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