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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:47pm lee wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:41pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:35pm: CO2 is being injected from under-ground! Oh no Natural CO2 is causing warming. It's not natural to dig up coal and oil in the quantities humanity is currently doing and to burn them and thus inject CO2 into the atmosphere...
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #16 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 4:19pm If it is not natural, why was it done in the first place? Are you now the arbiter of what is natural?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #17 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 4:24pm lee wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 4:19pm: If it is not natural, why was it done in the first place? Are you now the arbiter of what is natural? Yes I am...
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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #18 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Warming makes the oceans out gas more CO2 into the atmosphere so how can this make the oceans more acidic.

Cooling makes the oceans absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere and then we would have some acidification..!!!

What are the relative rates of absorption at different water temperatures?

You also need to examine the transport mechanisms (ie mass transfer within the oceans, and especially at the water/air interface)

I assume that you have looked into these mechanisms in detail Batman - there is ample literature available.

Chimp my dear friend you cannot have it both ways, either the oceans are warming and out gassing CO2 into into the atmosphere which would make acidification unlikely.

OR

The oceans are cooling and absorbing atmospheric CO2 from the atmosphere.

Which is it to be.................?????

Ever since the IPCC computer climate models have been proven wrong by comparing them to the empirical data, alarmists fuelled by international bankers have been clutching at straws.

The acidification of the oceans while the Earth is heating up may be feasible on the computer climate models of the IPCC but are certainly not visible in the real world.

The simple truth is the oligarchy wants to create a $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market where they can manipulate our money with booms and busts.

While taxing us all on the air we breath.

And you know what they say about computers sh!t in sh!t out.

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New SPPI paper on Ocean Acidification

Since the CO2 causes catastrophic global warming schtick hasn't worked out, many alarmists have now turned their focus onto another imaginary problem: CO2 causing "acidification" of the oceans. A new SPPI paper by Lord Monckton exposes the fallacy.

Key points:
•Doubling of atmospheric levels would only increase dissolved CO2 in the oceans by .48%

•There is no reliable evidence that ocean pH is falling

•Increased CO2 dissolution in the oceans increases calcification of shellfish and coral

•Corals evolved at a time when CO2 levels were 15 times higher than the present

•Laboratory experiments on sealife in which hydrochloric acid is added to the water (not CO2) and without the natural buffers present in the ocean is meaningless to determine effects of increased CO2 levels on sealife.
Other recommended resources on "Ocean Acidification":

Read more on this subject here
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/new-sppi-paper-on-ocean-acidificati...

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #19 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm 4% of the CO2 is the atmosphere is manmade from fossils fuels. The other 96% is natural due to the warming of the planet. So you guys want to be taxed on the air we breath because of this 4%. What are we to do about the 96% that's natural....!!!!!
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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #20 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

4% of the CO2 is the atmosphere is manmade from fossils fuels.

The other 96% is natural due to the warming of the planet.

So you guys want to be taxed on the air we breath because of this 4%.

What are we to do about the 96% that's natural....!!!!!

You are a very confused individual batman.

Do you actually believe what you post?

Have you looked at the C12, C13 and C14 isotope ratios and distributions?

Especially the decrease in the C14 fraction in the earth's atmosphere

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #21 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

4% of the CO2 is the atmosphere is manmade from fossils fuels.

The other 96% is natural due to the warming of the planet.

So you guys want to be taxed on the air we breath because of this 4%.

What are we to do about the 96% that's natural....!!!!!

You are a very confused individual batman.

Do you actually believe what you post?

Have you looked at the C12, C13 and C14 isotope ratios and distributions?

Yes I have posted videos and literature on this very subject, its not as the IPCC say it is.

They (IPCC) are more of a political body than a scientific organisation.

Chimp the world bank owns the UN which in turn own the IPCC, what do you expect them to say, would they bite the hand that feeds them......!!!!!

Do you know who owns the world bank.....?????

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/energymyths/myth10.htm

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #22 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:53pm Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased about 40% over the industrial period - the majority of which has occurred over the past 60 years. What proportion of this increase (ie from 285ppmv to 400 ppmv) is due to human activities such as fossil fuel combustion??
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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #23 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

4% of the CO2 is the atmosphere is manmade from fossils fuels.

The other 96% is natural due to the warming of the planet.

So you guys want to be taxed on the air we breath because of this 4%.

What are we to do about the 96% that's natural....!!!!!

You are a very confused individual batman.

Do you actually believe what you post?

Have you looked at the C12, C13 and C14 isotope ratios and distributions?

Yes I have posted videos and literature on this very subject, its not as the IPCC say it is.

They (IPCC) are more of a political body than a scientific organisation.

Chimp the world bank owns the UN which in turn own the IPCC, what do you expect them to say, would they bite the hand that feeds them......!!!!!

Do you know who owns the world bank.....?????

http://i60.tinypic.com/35a6gd2.gif

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/energymyths/myth10.htm

Ajax has no clue, still!

Wink

oh yeh, smoking crack in a batman suit: not a bad idea actually Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #24 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:02pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:53pm: What proportion of this increase (ie from 285ppmv to 400 ppmv) is due to human activities such as fossil fuel combustion?? And what proportion is due to greening of the planet? Increasing humankind?
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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #25 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Warming makes the oceans out gas more CO2 into the atmosphere so how can this make the oceans more acidic.

Cooling makes the oceans absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere and then we would have some acidification..!!!

What are the relative rates of absorption at different water temperatures?

You also need to examine the transport mechanisms (ie mass transfer within the oceans, and especially at the water/air interface)

I assume that you have looked into these mechanisms in detail Batman - there is ample literature available.

Chimp my dear friend you cannot have it both ways, either the oceans are warming and out gassing CO2 into into the atmosphere which would make acidification unlikely.

OR

The oceans are cooling and absorbing atmospheric CO2 from the atmosphere.

Which is it to be.................?????

Ever since the IPCC computer climate models have been proven wrong by comparing them to the empirical data, alarmists fuelled by international bankers have been clutching at straws.

The acidification of the oceans while the Earth is heating up may be feasible on the computer climate models of the IPCC but are certainly not visible in the real world.

The simple truth is the oligarchy wants to create a $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market where they can manipulate our money with booms and busts.

While taxing us all on the air we breath.

And you know what they say about computers sh!t in sh!t out.

Quote:

New SPPI paper on Ocean Acidification

Since the CO2 causes catastrophic global warming schtick hasn't worked out, many alarmists have now turned their focus onto another imaginary problem: CO2 causing "acidification" of the oceans. A new SPPI paper by Lord Monckton exposes the fallacy.

Key points:
•Doubling of atmospheric levels would only increase dissolved CO2 in the oceans by .48%

•There is no reliable evidence that ocean pH is falling

•Increased CO2 dissolution in the oceans increases calcification of shellfish and coral

•Corals evolved at a time when CO2 levels were 15 times higher than the present

•Laboratory experiments on sealife in which hydrochloric acid is added to the water (not CO2) and without the natural buffers present in the ocean is meaningless to determine effects of increased CO2 levels on sealife.
Other recommended resources on "Ocean Acidification":

Read more on this subject here
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/new-sppi-paper-on-ocean-acidificati...

The oceans are a net carbon sink even though text books will say everything comes out of solution with increasing temperature... because there is more than one process at play: it's called a complex system!

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #26 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:06pm lee wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:02pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:53pm: What proportion of this increase (ie from 285ppmv to 400 ppmv) is due to human activities such as fossil fuel combustion?? And what proportion is due to greening of the planet? Increasing humankind? Good questions: got any answers?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #27 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:43pm Nope but it shows it ain't all fossil fuels.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #28 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 8:04pm lee wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 7:43pm: Nope but it shows it ain't all fossil fuels. Ah, the old wedge politics: dad must have promoted you young
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