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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #15 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Why are you using PV systems as a test case of renewable energy efficacy and efficiency?

Why not use large scale Solar thermal power which also operates under base load conditions?

https://churlsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/solar_thermal_plant.jpg
http://www.flagsol.com/flagsol/cms/upload/images/Andasol-I224.jpg

Efficiency? How many thousands of hectares need to be covered to replace a coal fired power station?

Australia doesnt have any spare land anywhere that is drenched in sunshine???

Well done rider - you are certainly one of the great forward looking thinkers of our time arent you Rider.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Australia.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jp...

So you have no answer. Just deflection as usual by the fraudulant socialist snake oil spruiker.

Embarrassed by the pathetic power output and reliance on beautiful fossil fuels to make the spastic solar plant run no doubt.

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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #16 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:48pm

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Why are you using PV systems as a test case of renewable energy efficacy and efficiency?

Why not use large scale Solar thermal power which also operates under base load conditions?

https://churlsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/solar_thermal_plant.jpg
http://www.flagsol.com/flagsol/cms/upload/images/Andasol-I224.jpg

Efficiency? How many thousands of hectares need to be covered to replace a coal fired power station?

Australia doesnt have any spare land anywhere that is drenched in sunshine???

Well done rider - you are certainly one of the great forward looking thinkers of our time arent you Rider.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Australia.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jp...

So you have no answer. Just deflection as usual by the fraudulant socialist snake oil spruiker.

Embarrassed by the pathetic power output and reliance on beautiful fossil fuels to make the spastic solar plant run no doubt.

so solar plants are spastic now? You couple your standard bigotry against people who are different with your innate hatred of children and sprinkle some derange lunacy and ignorance and then enter this forum totally intellectually disarmed.

You are incapable of even posing a remotely sensible question let alone comprehend the basics of AGW.

A primary school student understands how human activities are driving global temperatures upwards and the intimate link between this increase and climate change, speciation loss, habitat destruction, ocean chemistry alteration, and rising sea levels etc.

Oh but the Great Rider rides into the coal sunset like a smelly putrid stenched up fossil freak maggot and hopes that nobody will notice a thing.

Apologise and then leave

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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #17 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

White Cliffs in NSW used to be totally solar powered.

'For the White Cliffs system the critical level seemed to be in the region of 700 W/m 2. Even at this level output was only around 50% of the maximum operating output (Kaneff, 1991, Figure 82). At this favourable site only about 80-85% of summer solar energy incidence was at a level greater than 700W/m 2 and in winter the figure fell to 60--75% (Kaneff, 1991, Table XV-A).

The output for the White Cliffs plant at 400 W/m 2 was only 16% of peak capacity (Kaneff, 1991, p 178). Systems presently under development are projected to be capable of commencing operations at 400 W/m 2 (Morrison, 1993; Luzzi, 1993). In Sydney in winter solar radiation exceeds 400 W/m 2 for only two hours a day, and in Brisbane, 27 ° from the equator, for only four hours. '

http://scottvalentine.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/trainer_can_renewable_ene...

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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #19 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

I see that the proposal cites Ivanpah as a similar technology.

Ivanpah is approx 35 degrees North, Port Augusta approx 32 South.

Ivanpah wants to add more gas burning than its original 5%, Port Augusta says that there will be no gas.

http://media.bze.org.au/Repowering_PortAugusta.pdf

Something doesn't seem quite right.

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Reply #20 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:08am

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

I see that the proposal cites Ivanpah as a similar technology.

Ivanpah is approx 35 degrees North, Port Augusta approx 32 South.

Ivanpah wants to add more gas burning than its original 5%, Port Augusta says that there will be no gas.

http://media.bze.org.au/Repowering_PortAugusta.pdf

Something doesn't seem quite right.

What proportion of South Australia's power requirements is met with renewable energy sources?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21599 Gender:	Re: The case for renewables Reply #21 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:55am Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:08am: What proportion of South Australia's power requirements is met with renewable energy source Is Port Augusta the whole of South Australia now?
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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #22 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:52pm

lee wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:55am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:08am:

What proportion of South Australia's power requirements is met with renewable energy source

Is Port Augusta the whole of South Australia now?

as we speak, what proportion of Sth Australia's power needs are met by renewable energy sources?

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Reply #23 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:46pm

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Why are you using PV systems as a test case of renewable energy efficacy and efficiency?

Why not use large scale Solar thermal power which also operates under base load conditions?

https://churlsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/solar_thermal_plant.jpg
http://www.flagsol.com/flagsol/cms/upload/images/Andasol-I224.jpg

Efficiency? How many thousands of hectares need to be covered to replace a coal fired power station?

Australia doesnt have any spare land anywhere that is drenched in sunshine???

Well done rider - you are certainly one of the great forward looking thinkers of our time arent you Rider.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Australia.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jp...

So you have no answer. Just deflection as usual by the fraudulant socialist snake oil spruiker.

Embarrassed by the pathetic power output and reliance on beautiful fossil fuels to make the spastic solar plant run no doubt.

Rowan Dean is getting owned about exactly what markets are on foxtel!

It's a friggin' hoot watching him suck mea culpa realising his whole life was a waste of infected anger: lucky he got paid his thirty pieces of silver... maybe he's about to give it back cos he looks like he is ready to pull the pin out of embarrassment!

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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #24 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:21pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:46pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Why are you using PV systems as a test case of renewable energy efficacy and efficiency?

Why not use large scale Solar thermal power which also operates under base load conditions?

https://churlsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/solar_thermal_plant.jpg
http://www.flagsol.com/flagsol/cms/upload/images/Andasol-I224.jpg

Efficiency? How many thousands of hectares need to be covered to replace a coal fired power station?

Australia doesnt have any spare land anywhere that is drenched in sunshine???

Well done rider - you are certainly one of the great forward looking thinkers of our time arent you Rider.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Australia.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jp...

So you have no answer. Just deflection as usual by the fraudulant socialist snake oil spruiker.

Embarrassed by the pathetic power output and reliance on beautiful fossil fuels to make the spastic solar plant run no doubt.

Rowan Dean is getting owned about exactly what markets are on foxtel!

It's a friggin' hoot watching him suck mea culpa realising his whole life was a waste of infected anger: lucky he got paid his thirty pieces of silver... maybe he's about to give it back cos he looks like he is ready to pull the pin out of embarrassment!

And you arguing in favour of renewables pretty much proves they aren't worth supporting..

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: The case for renewables Reply #25 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:48pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:21pm: And you arguing in favour of renewables pretty much proves they aren't worth supporting.. you really should apologise mate - really nasty stuff gizmo2366
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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #26 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:59pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

White Cliffs in NSW used to be totally solar powered.

'For the White Cliffs system the critical level seemed to be in the region of 700 W/m 2. Even at this level output was only around 50% of the maximum operating output (Kaneff, 1991, Figure 82). At this favourable site only about 80-85% of summer solar energy incidence was at a level greater than 700W/m 2 and in winter the figure fell to 60--75% (Kaneff, 1991, Table XV-A).

The output for the White Cliffs plant at 400 W/m 2 was only 16% of peak capacity (Kaneff, 1991, p 178). Systems presently under development are projected to be capable of commencing operations at 400 W/m 2 (Morrison, 1993; Luzzi, 1993). In Sydney in winter solar radiation exceeds 400 W/m 2 for only two hours a day, and in Brisbane, 27 ° from the equator, for only four hours. '

http://scottvalentine.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/trainer_can_renewable_ene...

It was an effective long term solution.
They closed it down and went to diesel generators I believe.

Quote:

..........After powering the town for more than two decades, last year the solar dishes were turned off and talk was the plant would be pulled apart......

white-cliffs-solar-energy-glory-recognised

renewable power is effective, reliable.

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Reply #27 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 8:03pm

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........White Cliffs is the first township in Australia to use solar energy to supply a community's electricity requirements. Originally, a team from the Australian National University constructed a solar power station in 1981 as an experiment. [highlight]Two rows of seven parabolic heliostat dishes were erected to collect the sun's rays, and focus them on an apparatus to generate steam that drove a Stirling piston engine. This system generated 25KW of electricity that was stored in batteries and used to power part of the town. A backup diesel generator was used to supply the rest of the town and cover any downtime that the solar system might have had.
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The experiment proved to be successful and in 1996 the system was upgraded, and now has fourteen parabolic dishes containing clusters of photovoltaic cells that produce seventy KW of electricity. White Cliffs solar power station now meets all of the town's electricity needs and feeds into a grid system, which has replaced the bank of batteries and diesel generator...........

http://www.enviro-friendly.com/solar-white-cliffs.shtml

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Re: The case for renewables
Reply #28 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 8:41pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

And you arguing in favour of renewables pretty much proves they aren't worth supporting..

you really should apologise mate - really nasty stuff gizmo2366

Compare to the crap YOU spew out...that was very polite, so, no, I will NOT apologise (especially not to an idiot like DRAH, or you, for that matter)

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #29 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 8:41pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

And you arguing in favour of renewables pretty much proves they aren't worth supporting..

you really should apologise mate - really nasty stuff gizmo2366

Compare to the crap YOU spew out...that was very polite, so, no, I will NOT apologise (especially not to an idiot like DRAH, or you, for that matter)

You have morally sunk to a new low mate

I dont even think your apology would make any difference now. DRAH deserves better from you. He cares about the children. Unlike someone else in here who shall remain nameless

What's wrong with some common courtesy and politeness you putrid slab of decaying weasel intestinal excrement scum paste stench?

Now haul your foul putrid stinkin' ass out of here mate

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