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Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:50am
 

"Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?"





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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1436229951/10#10
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Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?   

And please do my the courtesy of responding to my question, not paraphrasing it like the previous post and then ignoring it. Otherwise I might start to think that you were here pushing an agenda while remaining willfully ignorant as opposed to seeking comprehension of a complex subject.




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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1436229951/15#15
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Yadda, do you understand the difference between personal experience and media observation?
If you make sure that you get any first hand information on someone, don't talk to them and don't know them then your really not qualified to hold an opinion on them . doubly unqualified to try and pass your own erroneous interpretation of reality.
I didn't assume you were ignorant, I asked you a specific question about your personal experience.



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BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MOSLEMS ?


I can say that the few times that i have met moslems socially, they have always presented themselves to me as both friendly and polite.


FOR EXAMPLE, MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN MEETING MOSLEMS IS NOT UN-LIKE THIS FOLLOWING ENCOUNTER

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Quote:

"David Henshaw:
.....Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue which we all believe in,....a group of Christians [visit] the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat them kindly and talk about 'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'....."



[A SOURCE AND LINK, is in a post lower on this page]


Pho Huc,

QUESTIONS;
If i had such a [personal] encounter [as above] with a moslem [or a group of moslems], at a mosque;

Is it your opinion
that such a [personal] encounter should convince me that [those particular] moslems were the friends of, or at least being friendly towards Christians ?

And [importantly!] would such an impression, necessarily, be reliable ?



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Pho Huc said....


"If you make sure that you get any first hand information on someone, don't talk to them and don't know them then your really not qualified to hold an opinion on them ."

- Pho Huc


"Yadda, do you understand the difference between personal experience and media observation?"

- Pho Huc



Pho Huc,

I would argue, that in an age of instant digital communication, that i can get a good sense of what 'the moslem' is about - especially when i am made aware of who the 'target' audience of the moslem(s) are      [vis-a-vis the moslem(s) who are speaking].

I would argue, that it is not necessary to maintain a personal relationship with a moslem [or with a group of moslems], in an effort to be able to get a reliable understanding or sense, of what it is, that the moslem(s) who are speaking [via a digital communication], are trying to 'convey'.

I would argue, that the actual content of the communications, by the moslem(s), themselves, and being made aware of who the 'target' audience of the moslem(s) are [vis-a-vis the moslem(s) who are speaking],       can reveal much about those moslem(s) and about what the message of those moslem(s) is intended to 'convey'.


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Re: what are your personnel experiences [with moslems]
Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:51am
 


Pho Huc,

QUESTION;
If i have come to [reliably] know, that a group of people [who] follow a philosophy, which teaches [them] that it is permissible and often advantageous [to their group] to deceive others [who are outside of their group],        shouldn't i [reasonably] be on my guard, and be sceptical about how candid that group of people are really being, in all of their communications with me ?




RELATED INFORMATION [exposing mainstream ISLAM's endorsement and encouragement, of moslem lying to, and deception of, non-moslems];





IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...



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Taqiyya

Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”


google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit





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Quote:
July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."
Google




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Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine


Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"





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Quote:

When (and Why) Good Muslim Neighbors Turn Bad

July 8, 2015

Here is how Islam's most authoritative ulema and exegetes explain Koran 3:28.

Muhammad ibn Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923), author of a standard and authoritative commentary of the Koran, writes:

    If you [Muslims] are under their [non-Muslims'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them with your tongue while harboring inner animosity for them ...

[know that] Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels rather than other believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority].

Should that be the case, let them act friendly towards them while preserving their religion.


http://www.meforum.org/5371/why-muslims-bad-neighbors


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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:52am
 
Quote:

"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives...."


- which is the advice of some moslem scholar, on 'the art of public speaking'.   !!!




MOSLEMS, shown speaking to a moslem target audience

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Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0



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MOSLEMS, shown speaking to a moslem target audience

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Please watch this YT...
Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E




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MOSLEMS, shown speaking to a moslem target audience

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Please watch this YT...
The Struggle for Islam in the West | Trailer: Khilafah Conference 2010; Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia
  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5RtutmDLVU




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.


Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


AND REMEMBER THE MOSLEM RELIGIOUS MOTTO!.....
Quote:

"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives...."






Pho Huc,

If any reasonable person were to watch any of those YT's [above], i would argue that any reasonable person will get a good sense of what it is,      that is within the heart of the moslem.




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MOSLEMS, shown speaking to a NON-MOSLEM TARGET AUDIENCE

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MOSLEM RELIGIOUS/COMMUNITY LEADER WELCOMES NON-MOSLEMS ON A VISIT TO HIS MOSQUE IN THE UK

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#1,
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"

Quote:

"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,...

'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."





#2,
THE KICKER...
Quote:

"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely.

'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."

".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity.

When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context...."





Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript  - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/the-undercover-mosqu...




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Pho Huc,

When i watch this following YT, i believe that i can get a good sense of what 'the moslem' is about.

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Please watch this YT...
Islamic brotherhood behind violence
         goto 1m 08s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROcJvVCpFU



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Pho Huc,

When i watch this following YT, i believe that i can get a good sense of what 'the moslem' is about.

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Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah, HERE IN AUSTRALIA] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day."




YT -------------- >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw


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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53am
 
Not sure what my personnel think of muslims, I'll check it.
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Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
personnel? Is English not your first language?  Grin

Firstly thanks for the honest answer, i appreciate it(in all seriousness)

Well, i'm glad that on the few occasions you have actually met a muslim they have been polite and friendly-
I shudder to think what your opinion of them would be if they had been violent or ride.

My stance on Islam has been that the majority of Moslem's live peaceful lives. proven statistically, logically and now anthropologically(ok ,very limited sample size).


Yadda:

QUESTION;
If i have come to [reliably] know, that a group of people [who] follow a philosophy, which teaches [them] that it is permissible and often advantageous [to their group] to deceive others [who are outside of their group],  shouldn't i [reasonably] be on my guard, and be sceptical about how candid that group of people are really being, in all of their communications with me ?

Yadda.

Yes, totally.
But rationally you must apply that same discernment to both sides of the debate. I have no issue with you disbelieving all Moslems. Thats fine and your prerogative.   

My issue is that you believe the extremists speak the truth. Since Islam supports lies to nonbelievers wouldn't the extremists be the most likely to lie?

And why do you choose to accept the words of the radicals at face value while discounting the word of the moderates?

If its simply because of Islamic lies then ignore them both and decide based on statistics.

If it is because the extremists words resonant with your own beliefs you are guilty of cherry picking(needed a fruit reference) opinions that reinforce existing views, instead of analyzing dispassionately.   




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I've had some incidents and many people I know have had. I live in the suburbs of Sydney. My mate from Granville Sydney has just moved down to Victoria because of how crappy and dangerous his suburb has become. Having a large population of Lebanese  Muslims living in your area is never good.
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oh what happened?
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double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
My mate from Granville Sydney has just moved down to Victoria because of how crappy and dangerous his suburb has become.



I call shenanigans. Why didnt he just move to a different suburb?
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Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:08pm:
oh what happened?
I got belted by 2 arab guys who jumped out of their car and started ripping into me. They must have thought I was somebody else. I talked myself out of getting robbed in Parramatta by a group of Lebanese blokes only a couple of years back. They must have thought I looked too poor and moved on. It's unsettling being surrounded by a group of young men while one asks you what you have in your pockets. My mate has been robbed and his house broken into by Lebanese males. SW Sydney is very dangerous. The multiculturalism lovers have no idea because they don't live there.
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double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:08pm:
oh what happened?
I got belted by 2 arab guys who jumped out of their car and started ripping into me. They must have thought I was somebody else. I talked myself out of getting robbed in Parramatta by a group of Lebanese blokes only a couple of years back. They must have thought I looked too poor and moved on. It's unsettling being surrounded by a group of young men while one asks you what you have in your pockets. My mate has been robbed and his house broken into by Lebanese males. SW Sydney is very dangerous. The multiculturalism lovers have no idea because they don't live there.



Sounds like a rough area! I used to live(until 2 years ago) next to dandenong which is a multi-cultural suburb in Victoria.
Didn't ever have any bad experiences except for an attempted mugging by some young dick with knife( i belted him with my skateboard) -He was a whitey though.

without trying to be a w$nker  do you know whether they people who attacked you were muslim or did they just look arab?

cheers, appreciate any real world experiences!





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double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
I've had some incidents and many people I know have had. I live in the suburbs of Sydney. My mate from Granville Sydney has just moved down to Victoria because of how crappy and dangerous his suburb has become. Having a large population of Lebanese  Muslims living in your area is never good.


That’s strange, Homo. You said your own experience of Muslims you’ve worked with has been all good. Why would you ignore your own experience?

I’m not sure why your mate left Granville. I moved there myself and I’ve experienced nothing but a sense of community. I dropped my wallet once, and it was handed into the police with all the money in there. My bike stalled, and people raced over to help. The neighbourhood action lady is friendly, the people in the Muslim prayer hall smile as you go past, people serving you in shops always start up a chat, people say hi in the street. It’s become bad form to say nothing.

I don’t know what Granville was like before Asian immigration, but my guess is that the sense of community is the result of multiculturalism. Most of the people I’ve described come from Arabic, Chinese and Indian backgrounds.

The Anglos are nice too. Because we’re now a minority, there’s a greater expectation to say hi in the street. As an Anglo Australian, new migrants tend to give you respect. Shops are keen to have your custom. Neighbours are happy to talk. I have to say, I haven’t lived in a more tightly-knit community than this, and I have no reason to make this up. I’ve lived in very alienated communities in the past, including public housing areas with big migrant and Aboriginal populations. I found these communities very split.

That’s my experience. Maybe your mate had a bad one. I’ve now lived and worked in this area for almost ten years, so I don’t think I’m a blow-in. I have never had one problem with violent yobs, Leb or otherwise. And I can tell you, I’ve certainly had issues in other areas.

What’s your experience of your own multicultural ghetto?

I’m curious.
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:18pm
 
double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
I've had some incidents and many people I know have had. I live in the suburbs of Sydney. My mate from Granville Sydney has just moved down to Victoria because of how crappy and dangerous his suburb has become. Having a large population of Lebanese  Muslims living in your area is never good.


The Lebs in Granville are predominantly Christian. The Coptic church is big - much bigger than the Muslim prayer hall on my street.

Lakemba is the main spot for Muslim Lebs. Auburn is largely Turkish, but a lot of Lebs go there too. My Granville dentist is a Muslim Leb, but he’s not religious. He’s worked all over the world and travels regularly. He’s a very good dentist too - that’s why I see him.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
I've had some incidents and many people I know have had. I live in the suburbs of Sydney. My mate from Granville Sydney has just moved down to Victoria because of how crappy and dangerous his suburb has become. Having a large population of Lebanese  Muslims living in your area is never good.


That’s strange, Homo. You said your own experience of Muslims you’ve worked with has been all good. Why would you ignore your own experience?

I’m not sure why your mate left Granville. I moved there myself and I’ve experienced nothing but a sense of community. I dropped my wallet once, and it was handed into the police with all the money in there. My bike stalled, and people raced over to help. The neighbourhood action lady is friendly, the people in the Muslim prayer hall smile as you go past, people serving you in shops always start up a chat, people say hi in the street. It’s become bad form to say nothing.

I don’t know what Granville was like before Asian immigration, but my guess is that the sense of community is the result of multiculturalism. Most of the people I’ve described come from Arabic, Chinese and Indian backgrounds.

The Anglos are nice too. Because we’re now a minority, there’s a greater expectation to say hi in the street. As an Anglo Australian, new migrants tend to give you respect. Shops are keen to have your custom. Neighbours are happy to talk. I have to say, I haven’t lived in a more tightly-knit community than this, and I have no reason to make this up. I’ve lived in very alienated communities in the past, including public housing areas with big migrant and Aboriginal populations. I found these communities very split.

That’s my experience. Maybe your mate had a bad one. I’ve now lived and worked in this area for almost ten years, so I don’t think I’m a blow-in. I have never had one problem with violent yobs, Leb or otherwise. And I can tell you, I’ve certainly had issues in other areas.

What’s your experience of your own multicultural ghetto?

I’m curious.
Was I talking about people I've worked with. The funny thing   with people like you is that you'll believe an asylum seeker but you won't believe a white Australian. I'm sorry to rain on your parade but you have to be very careful in that part of Sydney. You make it sound like Pleasantville and you know it isn't. It's a crime ridden craphole.
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Reply #14 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 5:30pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
double plus good wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 2:08pm:
oh what happened?
I got belted by 2 arab guys who jumped out of their car and started ripping into me. They must have thought I was somebody else. I talked myself out of getting robbed in Parramatta by a group of Lebanese blokes only a couple of years back. They must have thought I looked too poor and moved on. It's unsettling being surrounded by a group of young men while one asks you what you have in your pockets. My mate has been robbed and his house broken into by Lebanese males. SW Sydney is very dangerous. The multiculturalism lovers have no idea because they don't live there.



Sounds like a rough area! I used to live(until 2 years ago) next to dandenong which is a multi-cultural suburb in Victoria.
Didn't ever have any bad experiences except for an attempted mugging by some young dick with knife( i belted him with my skateboard) -He was a whitey though.

without trying to be a w$nker  do you know whether they people who attacked you were muslim or did they just look arab?

cheers, appreciate any real world experiences!





I'd say Muslim but I can't be certain. Christians aren't a problem usually.
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