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Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:18am
 
About time they realised just how wrong they've been on this issue.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bills-boat-turnback-shortens-asylum-erro...
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Reply #1 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:34am
 
BILL Shorten will stare down Labor’s powerful Left faction and ask the party to finally adopt the Abbott government’s controversial turnback policy if they win office.

In a stunning backflip, Mr Shorten last night admitted Labor “had to face the truth” that the policy worked and conceded Labor made “mistakes” in government which ­allowed 50,000 illegal ­arrivals and more than 1100 people to die at sea.

Mr Shorten lit the fuse for an explosive showdown with the party’s Left faction when the ALP national conference begins in Melbourne tomorrow.

The Daily Telegraph can ­reveal powerful Labor Left figures will host a “Labor for Refugees” seminar at the conference which will include discussions about why asylum seekers should even be detained.

Mr Shorten and shadow immigration spokesman Richard Marles have spent several months working on colleagues to support the policy change. Shadow cabinet will begrudgingly support the plan.

“I can no longer escape the conclusion that Labor, if we form a government, needs to have all the options on the table,’’ Mr Shorten said.

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“That would include boat turn backs as an option.

“If I want to be the leader of this nation, I’ve got to be able to face the truth. The truth for me is that if we have policies in place which gives sustenance and ­support to people smugglers to ­exploit vulnerable people, where they put these vulnerable people on unsafe boats and then people drown at sea, I can’t support any policies which do that.”

The announcement sent ­Twitter into overdrive, with many “loyal” ALP supporters vowing to desert the party for the Greens. Mr Shorten conceded the issue would be divisive with the Left: “It’s not an easy issue for Labor because on one hand we’re absolutely committed to the humane treatment of refugees and on the other hand we also want to ­prevent people drowning at sea.”

Mr Shorten’s decision will put his leadership on the line.

Labor members could vote to abandon the policy. It is understood the Left and Right of the party each have about 200 votes.

In a sign of a potential bloodbath of the issue, a page in the ALP’s official national conference handbook is devoted to promoting the Labor asylum seeker event which will be open to the public.

ACTU boss Ged Kearney, who is regarded as an influential figure on the party’s Left, will head the discussion with human rights lawyer Julian Burnside and refugee advocate David Manne.

Labor’s decision to match the Coalition policy of turnbacks is an acknowledgment of the success of the government’s hard line Operation Sovereign Borders. Labor policy is likely to include humanitarian protections, an increase in refugee intake to 27,000 a year, improved management of offshore processing facilities and greater transparency.

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Reply #2 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:50am
 
Does this mean you will be voting Labor?
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Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:52am
 
Its time wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:50am:
Does this mean you will be voting Labor?



May as well. What difference is there.

The Greens will benefit from this, they do every time Shorty takes a step closer to the radical right.
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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:59am
 
Bill Shorten yesterday said, "The Prime Minister has addressed the issue of asylum boat turnbacks in numerous speeches over the years and while I don't know what it is that he said, let me say that I agree with what it was the Prime Minister said!". He was then asked to confirm he had no idea what Prime Minister Abbott had said, to which he replied, "I'm sure he's right".
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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:02am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:52am:
Its time wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:50am:
Does this mean you will be voting Labor?



May as well. What difference is there.

The Greens will benefit from this, they do every time Shorty takes a step closer to the radical right.


Yes may as well amalgamate , getting harder to tell the difference.
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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:59am:
Bill Shorten yesterday said, "The Prime Minister has addressed the issue of asylum boat turnbacks in numerous speeches over the years and while I don't know what it is that he said, let me say that I agree with what it was the Prime Minister said!". He was then asked to confirm he had no idea what Prime Minister Abbott had said, to which he replied, "I'm sure he's right".


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they say that he's softening his stance already this morning...

Kevin Rudd also promised not to touch Howards Pacific Solution... but once in.... dismantled it and the illegals flooded in..

the Labor/Green coalition can't be trusted on border security...

Labor will make a dirty deal with the Greens to gain power again like Gillard did and we'll have tens of thousands of welfare rorters, people who hate Australia and Australians and also Jihadists..

the Greens just love anyone who is against Australia and who want to harm Australians... because that's who the Green Voter is... a Maggot...  Angry
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:10am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:59am:
Bill Shorten yesterday said, "The Prime Minister has addressed the issue of asylum boat turnbacks in numerous speeches over the years and while I don't know what it is that he said, let me say that I agree with what it was the Prime Minister said!". He was then asked to confirm he had no idea what Prime Minister Abbott had said, to which he replied, "I'm sure he's right".


Grin

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they say that he's softening his stance already this morning...

Kevin Rudd also promised not to touch Howards Pacific Solution... but once in.... dismantled it and the illegals flooded in..

the Labor/Green coalition can't be trusted on border security...

Labor will make a dirty deal with the Greens to gain power again like Gillard did and we'll have tens of thousands of welfare rorters, people who hate Australia and Australians and also Jihadists..

the Greens just love anyone who is against Australia and who want to harm Australians... because that's who the Green Voter is... a Maggot...  Angry


How many refugees/ asylum seekers have you conversed with?
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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:13am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:
the Greens just love anyone who is against Australia and who want to harm Australians... because that's who the Green Voter is... a Maggot...  Angry



Then that would include hard righters
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:17am
 
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It is a lie that will not die. It has been sent to tens of thousands of Australians in an email that has been circulating for years. The latest variation compares the amount paid to Australian aged pensioners with the benefits available to refugees. It claims the weekly allowance for pensioners is $253 while the weekly allowance for refugees is $472.50, plus a weekly hardship payment of $145, meaning refugees are eligible for more than twice as much government support as pensioners. It's a concoction. The problem for the federal government is that the truth is in some ways worse than the lie.
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Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:18am
 
Smart move
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Reply #11 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:26am
 
Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.
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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:49am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:26am:
Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.


the problem is, can he be trusted?  Rudd said the same thing and if there is one thing we know about Bill it is that he is more interested in winning that actual policy settings on principle. He will say whatever he neends to improve his position while doing whatever he wants in the end. Given his performance over the past 8 years would you say he is inherently trustworthy?
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Reply #13 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:52am
 
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

shortarse and  "de truth"...

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In a stunning backflip, Mr Shorten last night admitted Labor “had to face the truth” that the policy worked and conceded Labor made “mistakes” in government which ­allowed 50,000 illegal ­arrivals and more than 1100 people to die at sea.


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thats the best laugh I have had since they elected him leader...

good one BILL you can at least say the word...now look up its meaning.... the royal would like to see that..

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did he speak to krudd before the challenge????..... Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:26am:
Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.




he has trouble with the :truth: but that doesnt mean he aint smart. Cheesy Cheesy

hes learning if it aint broke dont what ever you do DONT  try and fix it.
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