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Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left
Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm

Labor will endorse a policy of asylum seeker boat 'turnbacks' at the party's national conference in Melbourne. Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Shadow Immigration Minister Richard Marles will present the policy to the ALP national conference on the weekend. In an opinion piece in the Herald Sun newspaper, Mr Marles said a 'terrible loss of life' had occurred on Labor's watch, saying the option of boat turnbacks must be on the table.'We won't allow people smugglers to reopen the perilous journey from Java to Australia again,' Mr Marles said. The policy is likely to be the subject of heated debate at the conference, as the party's left opposes the turnback policy. 'Labor should in no way support turning back asylum seeker boats,' former speaker Anna Burke told Sky News on Monday. Senior figures have indicated their support for the policy in recent weeks, though there has been no official stance given by the party's leadership. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/22/labor-to-support-asylum-bo...

It doesn't matter what they say at the national conference. Even if they endorse turnbacks, they'll reverse that if they ever win office again. The ALP have proven they can't be trusted on this issue.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left Reply #1 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:00pm how desperate they are to bring the asylum seeker issue back
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left Reply #2 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles. We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.
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Reply #3 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left Reply #4 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm
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Reply #5 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

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Reply #6 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

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Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left
Reply #7 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

This isn't about Greens so stop trying to create diversion.

Why is labor's left so power hungry, that they are willing to make themselves in the image of Tony Abbott.

Why are Labor's left such gutless bastards.

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Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left
Reply #8 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:20pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/shorten-1.png

so cute.

all those UNION members did didnt they?? Wink

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We won't allow people smugglers to reopen the perilous journey from Java to Australia again,

thats an amazing thing to claim

when they couldnt stop them for 6 years.. what makes him think they can this time????....

they cant use guns.. they wont send them back...they cant bribe them again can they??....

so whats left?????...

hey AP you understand these people better than I....

does this mean labor will bring our Navy back home???..

they dont support turning them back yet they wont give the people smugglers any business....uuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmaybe they will send our navy over to Java to pick up the men and boys direct.... well that would stop the drownings wouldnt it...

did you see what Mr Marles

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Mr Marles said a 'terrible loss of life' had occurred on Labor's watch,

wasnt that nice of a labor minister to actually mention the loss of life on their watch??????.... Sad

thats gotta be a first.

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Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:20pm

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

This isn't about Greens so stop trying to create diversion.

Why is labor's left so power hungry, that they are willing to make themselves in the image of Tony Abbott.

Why are Labor's left such gutless bastards.

How do you come to that conclusion....It is the Labor Left who are opposing turn backs....The only voters the Greens can entice are disgruntled Labor voters who will not vote for the Coalition....That is why the Greens bullshit to remain relevant!!!

Smiley

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Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left
Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:40pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

This isn't about Greens so stop trying to create diversion.

Why is labor's left so power hungry, that they are willing to make themselves in the image of Tony Abbott.

Why are Labor's left such gutless bastards.

How do you come to that conclusion....It is the Labor Left who are opposing turn backs....The only voters the Greens can entice are disgruntled Labor voters who will not vote for the Coalition....That is why the Greens bullshit to remain relevant!!!

Smiley

Labor's Left will fall into line, like they always do because they are gutless. Labor's Right know this ... everyone knows Labor's Left are gutless sellouts.

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Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:53pm

Anyone with a sense of empathy and a brain and a bit of courage knows Australia's asylum seeker policies are just thinly veiled Fascist populism playing on xenophobic fears using "boat deaths" as a deflection of criticism while ignoring actual potential solutions that don't involve boat turn backs.

Real solutions to the Asylum seeker issue would require a great deal of political courage, real statesmanship and diplomacy, too bad Australia's Fascistic populist policies in this regard are actually popular among the voters on both sides of the mainstream political landscape (Lab/Lib) so doing the right thing won't net you votes (and actually likely will lose you votes).

I have no doubt in my mind though that in 30-40 years time, Children will be taught about our treatment of Asylum seekers as a crime against humanity and a great stain on our nations legacy.

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Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left
Reply #12 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

This isn't about Greens so stop trying to create diversion.

Why is labor's left so power hungry, that they are willing to make themselves in the image of Tony Abbott.

Why are Labor's left such gutless bastards.

How do you come to that conclusion....It is the Labor Left who are opposing turn backs....The only voters the Greens can entice are disgruntled Labor voters who will not vote for the Coalition....That is why the Greens bullshit to remain relevant!!!

Smiley

Labor's Left will fall into line, like they always do because they are gutless. Labor's Right know this ... everyone knows Labor's Left are gutless sellouts.

Most people who are extreme left are gutless sell-outs if that is your opinion....The Labor Left are just as courageous as the Greens but do not have the numbers to formulate policy within the party....That is the problem with the Greens who have no idea about how the world works!!!

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Shorten on Collision Course with ALP Left Reply #13 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:58pm Well said Kiron. People must also realise that how we treat refugees is the way we will be treating Australians down the track. Are you prepared to be treated as LibLab want refugees treated?
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Reply #14 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:03pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:

____ wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

When you have two diametrically opposed wings, as both old parties do, both end up selling out their principles.

We all new Labor's left were heartless bastards long ago.

where are the greens policy to ban coal mining or non renewable energies? Or are they selling out their principles too?

Cheesy

greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/phase-out-old-and-dirty-coal-fired-power-stations

greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

After that deflection, back to Labor's Left.
Why are they heartless bastards?
Obviously Greens are to ethical for them, so why don't they create a new party.

Or is power at any expense, more important to them?

over 40 yrs? Grin

so they did sell out

thanks

This isn't about Greens so stop trying to create diversion.

Why is labor's left so power hungry, that they are willing to make themselves in the image of Tony Abbott.

Why are Labor's left such gutless bastards.

How do you come to that conclusion....It is the Labor Left who are opposing turn backs....The only voters the Greens can entice are disgruntled Labor voters who will not vote for the Coalition....That is why the Greens bullshit to remain relevant!!!

Smiley

Labor's Left will fall into line, like they always do because they are gutless. Labor's Right know this ... everyone knows Labor's Left are gutless sellouts.

Most people who are extreme left are gutless sell-outs if that is your opinion....The Labor Left are just as courageous as the Greens but do not have the numbers to formulate policy within the party....That is the problem with the Greens who have no idea about how the world works!!!

If Labor's Left were as courages as The Greens, they would of divorced the Right Faction and formed their own party. This way maintaining their ethical core.
Unfortunately Labor's Left are pigs with their head in the trough. They will gulp whatever crap is dished up to them.

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