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The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:09pm
 
Last week Secretary of State John Kerry warned graduating students at Boston College of the "crippling consequences" of climate change. "Ninety-seven percent of the world's scientists," he added, "tell us this is urgent."

Where did Mr. Kerry get the 97% figure? Perhaps from his boss, President Obama, who tweeted on May 16 that "Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous." Or maybe from NASA, which posted (in more measured language) on its website, "Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities."

Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research.

One frequently cited source for the consensus is a 2004 opinion essay published in Science magazine by Naomi Oreskes, a science historian now at Harvard. She claimed to have examined abstracts of 928 articles published in scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and found that 75% supported the view that human activities are responsible for most of the observed warming over the previous 50 years while none directly dissented.

Ms. Oreskes's definition of consensus covered "man-made" but left out "dangerous"—and scores of articles by prominent scientists such as Richard Lindzen, John Christy, Sherwood Idso and Patrick Michaels, who question the consensus, were excluded. The methodology is also flawed. A study published earlier this year in Nature noted that abstracts of academic papers often contain claims that aren't substantiated in the papers.

Another widely cited source for the consensus view is a 2009 article in "Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union" by Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, a student at the University of Illinois, and her master's thesis adviser Peter Doran. It reported the results of a two-question online survey of selected scientists. Mr. Doran and Ms. Zimmerman claimed "97 percent of climate scientists agree" that global temperatures have risen and that humans are a significant contributing factor.

The survey's questions don't reveal much of interest. Most scientists who are skeptical of catastrophic global warming nevertheless would answer "yes" to both questions. The survey was silent on whether the human impact is large enough to constitute a problem. Nor did it include solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists or astronomers, who are the scientists most likely to be aware of natural causes of climate change.
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:10pm
 
The "97 percent" figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise and said they published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists—of the 3,146 who responded to the survey—does not a consensus make.

In 2010, William R. Love Anderegg, then a student at Stanford University, used Google Scholar to identify the views of the most prolific writers on climate change. His findings were published in Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences. Mr. Love Anderegg found that 97% to 98% of the 200 most prolific writers on climate change believe "anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for 'most' of the 'unequivocal' warming." There was no mention of how dangerous this climate change might be; and, of course, 200 researchers out of the thousands who have contributed to the climate science debate is not evidence of consensus.

In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for some warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.

Mr. Cook's work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found "only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse" the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

Rigorous international surveys conducted by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch—most recently published in Environmental Science & Policy in 2010—have found that most climate scientists disagree with the consensus on key issues such as the reliability of climate data and computer models. They do not believe that climate processes such as cloud formation and precipitation are sufficiently understood to predict future climate change.

Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous.

Finally, the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change—which claims to speak for more than 2,500 scientists—is probably the most frequently cited source for the consensus. Its latest report claims that "human interference with the climate system is occurring, and climate change poses risks for human and natural systems." Yet relatively few have either written on or reviewed research having to do with the key question: How much of the temperature increase and other climate changes observed in the 20th century was caused by man-made greenhouse-gas emissions? The IPCC lists only 41 authors and editors of the relevant chapter of the Fifth Assessment Report addressing "anthropogenic and natural radiative forcing."

Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, Calif., has by far the most signatures—more than 31,000 (more than 9,000 with a Ph.D.). It was most recently published in 2009, and most signers were added or reaffirmed since 2007. The petition states that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

We could go on, but the larger point is plain. There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.
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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:13pm
 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm
 
12 months old opinion piece, originally from the heartland foundation. Should be in the extremist section.


https://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/research-commentary-myth-global-warmi...
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.

Well - apart from the fact that the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming, and only a fool could not see the negative consequences on human habitation that that may pose.

BTW -  are you able to show us yet where NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".

You have been telling that lie (or some variation of it) for quite some time now - but you can never show us the evidence to support it, can you.  Why is that?

Don't you think it is time you just admitted you were telling porkies?

It is clear to all concerned that you are a liar.  Who do you think you are fooling by constantly running away from the accusation?

You told us NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".  Why can't you simply show us evidence of this?  I have searched all of their websites - and they all say that  the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:41pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm:
12 months old opinion piece, originally from the heartland foundation. Should be in the extremist section.


https://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/research-commentary-myth-global-warmi...



how does being a year old change anything since it was produced and published in a peer-reviewed publication?

too much credibility for you to cope with?
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:42pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.

Well - apart from the fact that the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming, and only a fool could not see the negative consequences on human habitation that that may pose.

BTW -  are you able to show us yet where NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".

You have been telling that lie (or some variation of it) for quite some time now - but you can never show us the evidence to support it, can you.  Why is that?

Don't you think it is time you just admitted you were telling porkies?

It is clear to all concerned that you are a liar.  Who do you think you are fooling by constantly running away from the accusation?

You told us NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".  Why can't you simply show us evidence of this?  I have searched all of their websites - and they all say that  the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming.



so not able to debunk the ACTUAL OP, you resort to repeating your usual junk. No surprise.

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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:46pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:41pm:
____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm:
12 months old opinion piece, originally from the heartland foundation. Should be in the extremist section.


https://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/research-commentary-myth-global-warmi...



how does being a year old change anything since it was produced and published in a peer-reviewed publication?

too much credibility for you to cope with?




Heartland Institute

The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute's web site, is a nonprofit "think tank" that questions the reality and import of climate change, second-hand smoke health hazards, and a host of other issues that might seem to require government regulation. A July 2011 Nature editorial points out the group's lack of credibility:
"Despite criticizing climate scientists for being overconfident about their data, models and theories, the Heartland Institute proclaims a conspicuous confidence in single studies and grand interpretations....makes many bold assertions that are often questionable or misleading.... Many climate sceptics seem to review scientific data and studies not as scientists but as attorneys, magnifying doubts and treating incomplete explanations as falsehoods rather than signs of progress towards the truth. ... The Heartland Institute and its ilk are not trying to build a theory of anything. They have set the bar much lower, and are happy muddying the waters."[1]
An August 2014 Travis County Texas court ruling highlighted President and CEO Joseph Bast's lack of credibility and reliability:
"Mr. Joseph Bast, president and CEO of the Heartland Institute, testified for the Intervenors regarding the Texas Taxpayers’ Savings Grant Programs (“TTSGP”), a school voucher bill that failed in the 82nd Legislative Session. As a threshold matter, this Court finds that Mr. Bast is not a credible witness and that he did not offer reliable opinions in this matter. While Mr. Bast described himself as an economist, he holds neither undergraduate nor graduate degrees in economics, and the highest level of education he completed was high school. Mr. Bast testified that he is 100% committed to the long-term goal of getting government out of the business of educating its own voting citizens. Further, his use of inflammatory and irresponsible language regarding global warming, and his admission that the long term goal of his advocacy of vouchers is to dismantle the “socialist” public education system further undermine his credibility with this Court."[2]

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm
 
Heartland Institute has received $676,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

1997
$unknown Mobil Corporation
Source: Heartland material, present at 3/16/97 conference

1998
$30,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: Exxon Education Foundation Dimensions 1998 report

2000
$115,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990

2001
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Worldwide Giving Report

2002
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$7,500 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
19th Aniversary Benefit Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$85,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$10,000 Exxon Corporation
Climate Change Activities
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change Efforts
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$29,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Anniversary benefit dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$15,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
general operating support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report



www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm:
Heartland Institute has received $676,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

1997
$unknown Mobil Corporation
Source: Heartland material, present at 3/16/97 conference

1998
$30,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: Exxon Education Foundation Dimensions 1998 report

2000
$115,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990

2001
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Worldwide Giving Report

2002
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$7,500 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
19th Aniversary Benefit Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$85,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$10,000 Exxon Corporation
Climate Change Activities
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change Efforts
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$29,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Anniversary benefit dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report

2006
$15,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
general operating support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report



www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41


Well that certainly throws a spanner in longies argument .
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:17pm
 
Nice work Greens ...  Grin
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:42pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:32pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.

Well - apart from the fact that the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming, and only a fool could not see the negative consequences on human habitation that that may pose.

BTW -  are you able to show us yet where NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".

You have been telling that lie (or some variation of it) for quite some time now - but you can never show us the evidence to support it, can you.  Why is that?

Don't you think it is time you just admitted you were telling porkies?

It is clear to all concerned that you are a liar.  Who do you think you are fooling by constantly running away from the accusation?

You told us NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".  Why can't you simply show us evidence of this?  I have searched all of their websites - and they all say that  the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming.



so not able to debunk the ACTUAL OP, you resort to repeating your usual junk. No surprise.

SCHOOLED!

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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:43pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:09pm:
Last week Secretary of State John Kerry warned graduating students at Boston College of the "crippling consequences" of climate change. "Ninety-seven percent of the world's scientists," he added, "tell us this is urgent."

Where did Mr. Kerry get the 97% figure?




From polling CLIMATE SCIENTISTS - ONLY

Polls conducted in the past - by climate change denial lobbyists -  have famously included pharmacists and veterinarians

(... and probably chiropractors and aroma therapists)




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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:07pm
 
Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:43pm:
From polling CLIMATE SCIENTISTS - ONLY



Which paper Zimmerman?

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    Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”   76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”

    Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”   75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”

Not CO2 specifically, but land use change etc. And a very small sample. Error values?

Anderegg 97 - 98% of 200. Again a small sample. Error values?

John Cook 0.03% - wow huge.
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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
Extracts from the "Exxon" email.

http://www.ohio.edu/appliedethics/iape-speakers-and-events.cfm
'Exxon NEVER denied the potential for humans to impact the climate system. It did question – legitimately, in my opinion – the validity of some of the science.'

'It is the only company mentioned in Alyssa’s e-mail, even though, in my opinion, it is far more ethical than many other large corporations.'

The author of the email was Lenny Bernstein, a PhD in Chemical Engineering who was also a Coordinating Lead Author of Chapter 7 (Industry) of the Mitigation section of the IPCC AR4.
Not a Climate Expert.

The Guardian and Truth - ever at loggerheads

The “newly unearthed missive” was not from 1981, nor from 1989, nor 1999. It was not an Exxon document at all. Instead, it was an email written in 2014 to someone at Ohio University and publicly printed by the University with the author’s permission on the University website … hardly a “newly unearthed missive”.

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