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Reply #75 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:38pm:
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longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
businesses pay GST just like PAYE employees



bullshit, businesses don't pay GST. Everything they buy, be it stock used for manufacturing or resale, or pens that they use for themselves, they claim the GST back. If you buy a note pad for your business, you are the end user, don't you claim the GST when you do your bas?



And when employees have to buy their own furniture, pens, stock and contribute to the rent of premises and power they too can claim the GST back.  its the same for everyone, it is just that employees dont have to pay ANYTHING towards earning their income.

and you runa  business too, twit.


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bugger your a more on ...

how many employees do you know are registered for GST? They can't claim ANY GST back you idiot
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Reply #76 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
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Reply #77 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:41pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:01am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:11am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:00am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 5:46pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:54pm:
stunspore wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:45pm:
Many reasons why health care costs are up.  However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines.  Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease.  This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest.  If you have such a  document or link, please by all means give it to me.  Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas.  Not an option on the poorest.


yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.



except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it


yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right?  Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.
Longy, I have a question for you.  If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that.  What do you say?


you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal?  but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?


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when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



so you are saying that the ATO dont audit small businesses?  Is that really what you are saying all based on the evidence of YOUR personal experience?

small mind.


for how long have you struggled with comprehension? who said the ATO doesn't audit small business? you tell me what part of the following question was to difficult for you and I'll try to simplify it for you

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:47pm:
when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use?



and since you bought up the subject of audits, the ATO audits VERY FEW small businesses. They just don't have the manpower to do the job required of them. You have almost as much chance of winning lotto as you have of being audited.

More importantly I think that if the ATO did its job properly and started auditing small business on a regular basis the business unions would be screaming blue murder and heads in the ATO would most certainly roll. 

Here, consider this little bit of evidence towards the point.  Walk down any cafe lined street on any day in any city and any state in the federation and you will find that well over half the waiters and waitresses are employed "off the books". Which means this long suffering saint of a small businessman is scabbing on state payroll tax and most likely paying employees below award rates and the ATO is missing out on its tax share.  Now the ATO knows this is going on. Everybody knows this is going on. All the ATO would have to do is take a stroll down the street and they would net a mottza of small business tax cheats but they don't do it. WHY?  And what's the worker get out of it; nothing, just the pay he/she would get (in the unlikely event the small businessperson is not cheating them also) if he/she was working on the books. So whose making the windfall. The small businessperson of course.  No payroll tax (which the PAYE taxpayer now has to make up when the GST is increased) No federal tax (which the PAYE taxpayer now has to make up when the GST is increased) and most likely below award wages. 


you have quite the problem with businesses.  Cant get a job I guess??
I have a problem with business not carrying their share of the burden, holding their begging bowls out all the time, sticking their snouts in the trough soooo deeply they're chocking and then accusing everyone else of rorting the system



I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.
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Reply #78 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm:
I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.



for starters, that TV in your lounge room that you claimed as a deduction for business, and that laptop your wife uses for facebook Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #79 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
businesses pay GST just like PAYE employees



bullshit, businesses don't pay GST. Everything they buy, be it stock used for manufacturing or resale, or pens that they use for themselves, they claim the GST back. If you buy a note pad for your business, you are the end user, don't you claim the GST when you do your bas?




you are correct... I have a self employed son...GST is on almost everything..  [not talking about food essentials].

and if its solely for business use you can make a claim on the GST you have already paid on the ipad or desk or pen.......if longy doesnt know that more fool him..

no gst on the timtams I am guessing??? Roll Eyes
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Reply #80 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
businesses pay GST just like PAYE employees



bullshit, businesses don't pay GST. Everything they buy, be it stock used for manufacturing or resale, or pens that they use for themselves, they claim the GST back. If you buy a note pad for your business, you are the end user, don't you claim the GST when you do your bas?



And when employees have to buy their own furniture, pens, stock and contribute to the rent of premises and power they too can claim the GST back.  its the same for everyone, it is just that employees dont have to pay ANYTHING towards earning their income.

and you runa  business too, twit.


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bugger your a more on ...

how many employees do you know are registered for GST? They can't claim ANY GST back you idiot



they CAN register for GST but they have nothing to claim because they spend nothing.  Kinda the point.
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Reply #81 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm:
I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.



for starters, that TV in your lounge room that you claimed as a deduction for business, and that laptop your wife uses for facebook Cheesy Cheesy


I dont have either but it sounds like you do.
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Reply #82 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:15pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:57pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
businesses pay GST just like PAYE employees



bullshit, businesses don't pay GST. Everything they buy, be it stock used for manufacturing or resale, or pens that they use for themselves, they claim the GST back. If you buy a note pad for your business, you are the end user, don't you claim the GST when you do your bas?




you are correct... I have a self employed son...GST is on almost everything..  [not talking about food essentials].

and if its solely for business use you can make a claim on the GST you have already paid on the ipad or desk or pen.......if longy doesnt know that more fool him..

no gst on the timtams I am guessing??? Roll Eyes


they're a processed food and subject to GST. If you say they're for your staffs lunch room or to offer to clients with their coffee, you can claim the GST Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #83 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:57pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
businesses pay GST just like PAYE employees



bullshit, businesses don't pay GST. Everything they buy, be it stock used for manufacturing or resale, or pens that they use for themselves, they claim the GST back. If you buy a note pad for your business, you are the end user, don't you claim the GST when you do your bas?




you are correct... I have a self employed son...GST is on almost everything..  [not talking about food essentials].

and if its solely for business use you can make a claim on the GST you have already paid on the ipad or desk or pen.......if longy doesnt know that more fool him..

no gst on the timtams I am guessing??? Roll Eyes



why dont you read what people are saying, cods? I run a business and claim GSt on all my costs.
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Reply #84 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm:
I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.



for starters, that TV in your lounge room that you claimed as a deduction for business, and that laptop your wife uses for facebook Cheesy Cheesy


I dont have either but it sounds like you do.


I work from home, I'll claim whatever they let me.

I see that you gave up your stupid argument that employees claim GST though, and you pretend to be in business?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #85 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm:
I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.



for starters, that TV in your lounge room that you claimed as a deduction for business, and that laptop your wife uses for facebook Cheesy Cheesy


I dont have either but it sounds like you do.


I work from home, I'll claim whatever they let me.

I see that you gave up your stupid argument that employees claim GST though, and you pretend to be in business?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


No, I gave up on expecting you to understand the argument which clearly eludes you a great deal.
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Reply #86 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:27pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:41pm:
I'd love to know what subsidies I am getting in my business that offends you especially since I get none at all.



for starters, that TV in your lounge room that you claimed as a deduction for business, and that laptop your wife uses for facebook Cheesy Cheesy


I dont have either but it sounds like you do.


I work from home, I'll claim whatever they let me.

I see that you gave up your stupid argument that employees claim GST though, and you pretend to be in business?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


No, I gave up on expecting you to understand the argument which clearly eludes you a great deal.


then explain it, after all, you're the one who said employees claim back the GST?


and you have the hide to question other posters credibility?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #87 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:27pm:
then explain it, after all, you're the one who said employees claim back the GST?



come on longy, don't run away ... explain  yourself

were you lying because it's preferable to you conceding an argument or are you really that stupid?
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Reply #88 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:11pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:45pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:05am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:20pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:28am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:11am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:00am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 5:46pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:54pm:
stunspore wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:45pm:
Many reasons why health care costs are up.  However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines.  Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease.  This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest.  If you have such a  document or link, please by all means give it to me.  Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas.  Not an option on the poorest.


yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.



except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it


yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right?  Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.
Longy, I have a question for you.  If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that.  What do you say?


you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal?  but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?
Well you saw scoots justification. He said he's working all the time (even it seems when he's chatting on here). And those who are inclined to fudge the system (and we are all human) will do so. So when you say its an effective tax, in fact its a very discriminatory tax because in practice only impacts on PAYE tax payers. Indeed I remember shortly after the GST came in small business was complaining about the paperwork and sure enough Howard relaxed the accounting requirements significantly. Translation, significantly opened the door for tax avoidance.  You see the issue isn't so much about demonising businesspeople for cheating on the tax system but a tax system that makes it easy for them to avoid paying the tax and then increasing that tax and pretending that you're being fair in sharing the tax burden. But none of this matters of course because its so unfair on the small businessman who has to pay penalty rates on weekends and public holidays.         



please go and start a small business and see for yourself how we are all driving maseratis, holidaying in LA every summer and salting away millions of ill-gotten gains.

you might be in for one very unpleasant surprise.
I didn't say small business are all all driving maseratis, holidaying in LA every summer and salting away millions of ill-gotten gains.I suggested that small business do not pay GST like PAYE taxpayers and that's why they are happy for the unfair GST tax to be increased.  IMO small business are the true face of the age of entitlement and depend too heavily on handouts from PAYE taxpayers.

Time we had a Royal Commission on the extent to which the Liberal National Parties are run by the faceless men of the business unions of this country. 



Possibly the most insane comment posted on Oz Pol for a while  Wink
Aqua, you are amongst the worst proponents of small business/farmer entitlement syndrome on this forum. I invite anyone to study your posts full of "we deserve more and are entitled to more" rhetoric. Indeed you are a real leaner on the rest of us. 



here's an idea to get your head around.

since YOU seem to think that farmers and small business people (i run both) are not pulling their weight(and indeed you assert that they are a drain on the welfare recipients, several times you have called farmers and small business people leaners Cheesy Cheesy)  and that those on welfare are beyond criticism ....

then you obviously believe that the australian economy would IMPROVE if every farmers sold up and went on the dole and every small business person closed their business and went on welfare......

Thoughts  ???? Wink
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Reply #89 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:11pm:
then you obviously believe that the australian economy would IMPROVE if every farmers sold up and went on the dole and every small business person closed their business and went on welfare......



no, what he's saying is that the Australian economy would improve if you stopped sponging from taxpayers.

I haven't heard anyone say everyone should go on the dole, have you? It's these sort of ridiculous extremes that take away any credibility your arguments might have
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