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Reply #45 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:35am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:29pm:

by the way dopey, I personally know of a jeweller who would travel OS twice a year every year for at least the last ten years that I knew him, and wear all his purchases back JUST so he could escape taxes, two rings per finger including on each toe, 20 necklaces, he'd wear 3 watches on one arm and 20 bracelets on the other, and then he'd load his wife up with the same... you are deluded if you think it doesn't happen. The more money people have, the greater the extremes they'll go to to hang onto it.

and that is a typical rich person's behaviour? learn to work out what TYPICAL behaviour is and comment on that. You sound like greens_lose when you play on like this.

If there are taxes, people will find creative ways to avoid them. You don't have to be rich.

It's why I keep saying the tax system needs to be simpler than it is.

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Reply #46 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:44am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Look, just join the Greens, turn gay and start attending every protest, no matter how ignorant you are of the issue.

you are most of the way there already.

Too Hard?

Not on script?

Unfortunately for you my attitude is currently the prevailing one.

Are you telling 90% of the country to vote Green?

Don't know how that will go I still think they have a way to go before governance rather than irratance is a real option, but then again as posted not to long ago, how much worse could they be?????

Only 3 years then we could chuck them out.

Did you see the Newspoll, the Tele ids focusing on Shorten PPM fall but the number that caught my eye was

Quote:

However, the findings from the survey at the weekend show dissatisfaction with both men has steadily climbed since the May Budget, moving from 52 per cent to 60 per cent for Mr Abbott and 50 per cent to 59 per cent for Mr Shorten.

Quote:

But the poll showed a quarter of the 1638 voters questioned did not prefer either leader, The Australian reports.

25% wants neither & I'll put another lazy Pineapple on that number increasing.

But hey keep batting away like the obcessed stalker you are.

you hate everything, disagree with everything and find problems with everything. no one can have a debate with you because you fnd problem with everything. Your position seems to be little more than disagree with everything and everyone. We dont need more people like greens_lose thanks very much.

but if you would like a debate then answer me this: why does it matter if the poor are adversely affected by a particular decision? the definition of poor means to have less than average and thus by definition they wil be adversely affected by virtually every decision that doesnt direct largesse at them. You seem to be using the existance of 'the poor' as a sticking point for any reform policy.

You see that is where YOU & TONES fall apart.

You seem to think because we don't agree with your totally skewed reforms we don't want reform at all.

Reform the largess at the upper end(something I get advantage from BTW) & reform across mid to low as well, everyone gives something in the interest of us all.

That is where Shrek & Dumbo fell down in their 1st budget, ALL of the sacrifice was done by the least well off.

This is why people like me (it would seem a large & growing majority) view this latest lazy policy of reform as just

that, lazy reform that any public backlash can be palmed off off onto others from a government despite all rhetoric is

a policy vacuum.

Whats even more disappointing is the fact that you even more than before have to rely on personal insults.

What does that tell you?

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #47 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

i get at least 3 tenants a year moving here with shipping containers full of furniture .... funnily enough, they don't pay GST when they bring it in.
And I'm not talking about a dumb wannabe looser like you, I said the rich

here, for your benefit, check out the $400 000 sunnies
http://www.theopticalvisionsite.com/eyewear/25-of-the-most-expensive-eyewear-in-...

by the way dopey, I personally know of a jeweller who would travel OS twice a year every year for at least the last ten years that I knew him, and wear all his purchases back JUST so he could escape taxes, two rings per finger including on each toe, 20 necklaces, he'd wear 3 watches on one arm and 20 bracelets on the other, and then he'd load his wife up with the same... you are deluded if you think it doesn't happen. The more money people have, the greater the extremes they'll go to to hang onto it.

and that is a typical rich person's behaviour? learn to work out what TYPICAL behaviour is and comment on that. You sound like greens_lose when you play on like this.

who limited the discussion to 'typical' behaviour? stop moving the goal posts every time you are shown what an idiot you are. People will always find new and creative ways to avoid taxes. There is nothing typical about it.

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Reply #48 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #49 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:20pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

Well you saw scoots justification. He said he's working all the time (even it seems when he's chatting on here). And those who are inclined to fudge the system (and we are all human) will do so. So when you say its an effective tax, in fact its a very discriminatory tax because in practice only impacts on PAYE tax payers. Indeed I remember shortly after the GST came in small business was complaining about the paperwork and sure enough Howard relaxed the accounting requirements significantly. Translation, significantly opened the door for tax avoidance. You see the issue isn't so much about demonising businesspeople for cheating on the tax system but a tax system that makes it easy for them to avoid paying the tax and then increasing that tax and pretending that you're being fair in sharing the tax burden. But none of this matters of course because its so unfair on the small businessman who has to pay penalty rates on weekends and public holidays.

please go and start a small business and see for yourself how we are all driving maseratis, holidaying in LA every summer and salting away millions of ill-gotten gains.

you might be in for one very unpleasant surprise.

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Reply #50 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

No need to let the facts upset a perfectly good story.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #51 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

so you are saying that the ATO dont audit small businesses? Is that really what you are saying all based on the evidence of YOUR personal experience?

small mind.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #52 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

so you are saying that the ATO dont audit small businesses? Is that really what you are saying all based on the evidence of YOUR personal experience?

small mind.

no, I'm saying the tax office won't ask you to prove you use your work lap top for work.

even a small mind is much better than anything you've ever shown to possess.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #53 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

so you are saying that the ATO dont audit small businesses? Is that really what you are saying all based on the evidence of YOUR personal experience?

small mind.

no, I'm saying the tax office won't ask you to prove you use your work lap top for work.

even a small mind is much better than anything you've ever shown to possess.

'
again, all based on your extensive experience in ATO audits, right? If the ATO finds evidence of cheating in its normally cursory auditing it them does the full extensive sweep where they DO ask you to support just that.

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Reply #54 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

i get at least 3 tenants a year moving here with shipping containers full of furniture .... funnily enough, they don't pay GST when they bring it in.
And I'm not talking about a dumb wannabe looser like you, I said the rich

here, for your benefit, check out the $400 000 sunnies
http://www.theopticalvisionsite.com/eyewear/25-of-the-most-expensive-eyewear-in-...

by the way dopey, I personally know of a jeweller who would travel OS twice a year every year for at least the last ten years that I knew him, and wear all his purchases back JUST so he could escape taxes, two rings per finger including on each toe, 20 necklaces, he'd wear 3 watches on one arm and 20 bracelets on the other, and then he'd load his wife up with the same... you are deluded if you think it doesn't happen. The more money people have, the greater the extremes they'll go to to hang onto it.

and that is a typical rich person's behaviour? learn to work out what TYPICAL behaviour is and comment on that. You sound like greens_lose when you play on like this.

I didnt' say this is typical rich person's behaviour. I said "can", not that they will. They will always have options that the less well off won't have. Including the ability to avoid regressive taxes.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #55 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:53pm

stunspore wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

i get at least 3 tenants a year moving here with shipping containers full of furniture .... funnily enough, they don't pay GST when they bring it in.
And I'm not talking about a dumb wannabe looser like you, I said the rich

here, for your benefit, check out the $400 000 sunnies
http://www.theopticalvisionsite.com/eyewear/25-of-the-most-expensive-eyewear-in-...

by the way dopey, I personally know of a jeweller who would travel OS twice a year every year for at least the last ten years that I knew him, and wear all his purchases back JUST so he could escape taxes, two rings per finger including on each toe, 20 necklaces, he'd wear 3 watches on one arm and 20 bracelets on the other, and then he'd load his wife up with the same... you are deluded if you think it doesn't happen. The more money people have, the greater the extremes they'll go to to hang onto it.

and that is a typical rich person's behaviour? learn to work out what TYPICAL behaviour is and comment on that. You sound like greens_lose when you play on like this.

I didnt' say this is typical rich person's behaviour. I said "can", not that they will. They will always have options that the less well off won't have. Including the ability to avoid regressive taxes.

why oh why is it such news to people like you that the poor have less money, less options and less abilities. why do you think they are poor? what do you think the mean of the word 'poor' even means?

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #56 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

Well you saw scoots justification. He said he's working all the time (even it seems when he's chatting on here). And those who are inclined to fudge the system (and we are all human) will do so. So when you say its an effective tax, in fact its a very discriminatory tax because in practice only impacts on PAYE tax payers. Indeed I remember shortly after the GST came in small business was complaining about the paperwork and sure enough Howard relaxed the accounting requirements significantly. Translation, significantly opened the door for tax avoidance. You see the issue isn't so much about demonising businesspeople for cheating on the tax system but a tax system that makes it easy for them to avoid paying the tax and then increasing that tax and pretending that you're being fair in sharing the tax burden. But none of this matters of course because its so unfair on the small businessman who has to pay penalty rates on weekends and public holidays.

please go and start a small business and see for yourself how we are all driving maseratis, holidaying in LA every summer and salting away millions of ill-gotten gains.

you might be in for one very unpleasant surprise.

I didn't say small business are all all driving maseratis, holidaying in LA every summer and salting away millions of ill-gotten gains.I suggested that small business do not pay GST like PAYE taxpayers and that's why they are happy for the unfair GST tax to be increased. IMO small business are the true face of the age of entitlement and depend too heavily on handouts from PAYE taxpayers.

Time we had a Royal Commission on the extent to which the Liberal National Parties are run by the faceless men of the business unions of this country.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #57 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:11am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

Longy, I have a question for you. If I run a business and want to buy a computer for personal use I figure its not going to be too difficult to buy it as a business expense avoiding both the GST and accruing all the deductions and tax breaks that go with that. What do you say?

you can do it until such time as you are audited and you need to justify it. That could be problematic. Or are you confused that people might do something illegal? but only company owners right? You've never heard of people cheatingon their PERSONAL taxation?

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use? I've been in business in one way or another for over 20 yrs, and have never been asked Cheesy

so you are saying that the ATO dont audit small businesses? Is that really what you are saying all based on the evidence of YOUR personal experience?

small mind.

for how long have you struggled with comprehension? who said the ATO doesn't audit small business? you tell me what part of the following question was to difficult for you and I'll try to simplify it for you

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:47pm:

when was the last time the ATO asked you to prove your laptop was for business use?

and since you bought up the subject of audits, the ATO audits VERY FEW small businesses. They just don't have the manpower to do the job required of them. You have almost as much chance of winning lotto as you have of being audited.

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Re: Lib's Massive Tax Hike
Reply #58 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:50pm: