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Reply #15 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:35pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am:

that is a thoroughly ridiculous argument. the gst and medicare levy are BOTH fixed rate levies with exceptions for medicare at the lower and upper end only.

It would seem contradiction is the new vogue, can you pick it?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am:

But you applauded the carbon tax and its compensation but a GST increase with complete compensation is somehow evil?

Not evil just dispositionally unfair to the lower end as usual, but hey when they actually detail this compo package we might have more to discuss, or not.
You will recall that I did say OVERcompensating for the CT was stupid & the package covered far too many.

Why all of a sudden do the states need more GST revenue for health?( have you watched Baird vid? health is his excuse)
Maybe because Tones cut the funding by 80 billion
How much of our taxation $$ are being used for Direct Action??
And I wonder where some of that money came from???

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am:

But I admit I had a giggle when I read that you think the medicare levy goes directly to health care and not consolidated revenue. Really? that naive?

No again it comes down to accountability, pretty easy to track the money raised by a yearly levey on all PAYE taxpayers than a broad increase to a GST across the whole economy.
But then accountability is not a strong point of any politician in the major parties or it would seem with their supporters either.

nice try but still an epic fail. the medicare levy goes into general revenue and scarcely covers 25% of the health budget. It would be better off being dumped and general tax scales increased to cover it.

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Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:37pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:32am:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:26am:

Numbers crunched on potential GST rise

Calls to lift the GST to 15 per cent could add several thousand dollars to the average household's annual budget.

NSW Premier Mike Baird has broached the idea ahead of Wednesday's federal and state leaders' meeting, but wants to put in place compensation measures to ensure low income earners aren't disadvantaged.

Figures crunched by Curtin University's economics centre and published in The West Australian show a 15 per cent GST would increase the average household's costs by $3987 a year.

Households in the bottom 20 per cent income tier would be $1755 a year worse off while the richest would face an increase of $6307 in costs a year.

Modelling by the University of Canberra's National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling estimates the average household would be up for an extra $2915 a year, the Financial Review reports.

au.finance.yahoo.com/news/numbers-crunched-potential-gst-rise-204508427.html

Leading economists have suggested that households in the low socio-economic bracket could be better off with tax cuts proposed by Baird to compensate them for the increased GST. It's also the fairest way to tax, as everyone pays the same amount of GST regardless of their income. Remember that even at 15%, our GST would still be one of the lowest in the world.

and these 'tax cuts' would be where? which taxes would be involved?

I pay ZERO income tax right now - how would an income tax cut help me in any way other than to pay the government 5% more every time I buy something? My next luxury car going to cost me less? My next chopper flight cheaper?

bugger Baird! Wouldn't fart in his fat cat direction if he were becalmed on Pittwater and surrounded by hungry Great Whites...

Not tell me again how pensioners will benefit from rising GST?

Not At All! We will simply be paying more and more and more tax until we have nothing.

you would have been alive in 2000 when the original GST was implemented. How did pensioners get compensated them, hmm?

you are a git.

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Reply #17 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:38pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:17am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:39am:

Just increase the medicare levy, funnily enough when Bob Baldwin was asked about this today he evaded answering like it was the plague.

The facts are the GST hits lower income earners hardest, raising the medicare levy hits the wealthy the hardest and actually goes to the stated reason for these tax hikes instead of consolidated slush fund Revenue.

Why not just dump the GST and go back to the pre-GST tax rates adjusted to today's realities?

All this shuffling of deck chairs has done nothing of value.

longie says it gets into the black market - WTS difference does that make when all it does is raise the costs for everyone else as much anyway? No benefit for the majority of cleanskins there at all in any way.

The crook mob still paid tax on a car or on a beer or whatever... you don't cop GST on a drug transaction...

The GST was sold on a pack of lies and was only ever intended to benefit government bottom line - something we, the people, are not in the business of doing just for them - they are there, rather, to do it for us, and we are not milch cows for their endless voracity.

Ban the GST and restore income tax rates - I have reservations about the Medicare levy as a just tax - even Swag and I agree sometimes... why should a person pay twice for the same service? Private and public? Not as simple as that I know, but still...

let's look at all the things you got right in your post...

Yup. nothing.

Grumpy old pensioner

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Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

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Reply #19 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:35pm:

It would be better off being dumped and general tax scales increased to cover it.

Excellent Idea, should we discuss it further????

Reduction of overly generous schemes, more robust policing of money shifting to tax havens, grandfathering of bubble inducing policies?????

NOPE, no point, because the only people of influence who might listen are Indies certainly no one from LNP or Labor.

Far to hard & far too politically unpalatable.

So lets waste our time with this circus.

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Reply #20 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:53pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Why do we have to reform the tax system if we want to make heath care sustainable. Are you sure we're not reforming the tax system to make corporate and small business tax rate cuts sustainable and corporate and small business welfare sustainable, and health care rebates that go straight into the pockets of health care funds, sustainable. A few months ago this stinking govt handed over a 1.5 tax cut to the commercial sector and expanded the already obscenely generous tax deductions to business and next year Abbott hopes to win the election by giving hand outs of tax cuts to mainly the big end of town (because they always get the lions share of tax cuts). Make no mistake this lying govt has dressed up this GST tax increase as an effort to make health care sustainable when in really it's yet another money grab by the rich and the business unions that run the LNP.

this govt isnt even suggesting it, never mind legislating for it you dumb snot.

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Reply #21 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

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Reply #22 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:56pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:35pm:

It would be better off being dumped and general tax scales increased to cover it.

Excellent Idea, should we discuss it further????

Reduction of overly generous schemes, more robust policing of money shifting to tax havens, grandfathering of bubble inducing policies?????

NOPE, no point, because the only people of influence who might listen are Indies certainly no one from LNP or Labor.

Far to hard & far too politically unpalatable.

So lets waste our time with this circus.

Look, just join the Greens, turn gay and start attending every protest, no matter how ignorant you are of the issue.

you are most of the way there already.

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Reply #23 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #24 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Look, just join the Greens, turn gay and start attending every protest, no matter how ignorant you are of the issue.

you are most of the way there already.

Too Hard?

Not on script?

Unfortunately for you my attitude is currently the prevailing one.

Are you telling 90% of the country to vote Green?

Don't know how that will go I still think they have a way to go before governance rather than irratance is a real option, but then again as posted not to long ago, how much worse could they be?????

Only 3 years then we could chuck them out.

Did you see the Newspoll, the Tele ids focusing on Shorten PPM fall but the number that caught my eye was

Quote:

However, the findings from the survey at the weekend show dissatisfaction with both men has steadily climbed since the May Budget, moving from 52 per cent to 60 per cent for Mr Abbott and 50 per cent to 59 per cent for Mr Shorten.

Quote:

But the poll showed a quarter of the 1638 voters questioned did not prefer either leader, The Australian reports.

25% wants neither & I'll put another lazy Pineapple on that number increasing.

But hey keep batting away like the obcessed stalker you are.

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Reply #25 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:19pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

As John Smith said. We are not talking about buying online and having it sent here.

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Reply #26 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:53pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Why do we have to reform the tax system if we want to make heath care sustainable. Are you sure we're not reforming the tax system to make corporate and small business tax rate cuts sustainable and corporate and small business welfare sustainable, and health care rebates that go straight into the pockets of health care funds, sustainable. A few months ago this stinking govt handed over a 1.5 tax cut to the commercial sector and expanded the already obscenely generous tax deductions to business and next year Abbott hopes to win the election by giving hand outs of tax cuts to mainly the big end of town (because they always get the lions share of tax cuts). Make no mistake this lying govt has dressed up this GST tax increase as an effort to make health care sustainable when in really it's yet another money grab by the rich and the business unions that run the LNP.

this govt isnt even suggesting it, never mind legislating for it you dumb snot.

What BS!!!. Baird was put up to it by the same business Union string pullers who pull the Conalitions strings.

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Reply #27 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:53pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Why do we have to reform the tax system if we want to make heath care sustainable. Are you sure we're not reforming the tax system to make corporate and small business tax rate cuts sustainable and corporate and small business welfare sustainable, and health care rebates that go straight into the pockets of health care funds, sustainable. A few months ago this stinking govt handed over a 1.5 tax cut to the commercial sector and expanded the already obscenely generous tax deductions to business and next year Abbott hopes to win the election by giving hand outs of tax cuts to mainly the big end of town (because they always get the lions share of tax cuts). Make no mistake this lying govt has dressed up this GST tax increase as an effort to make health care sustainable when in really it's yet another money grab by the rich and the business unions that run the LNP.

this govt isnt even suggesting it, never mind legislating for it you dumb snot.

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I knew you were dumb, but even I didn't think you were that stupid

the govt. cut funding to health and education so as to try to FORCE the states to increase GST. The govt. doesn't need to suggest it, they're orchestrating it Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #28 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:46pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Many reasons why health care costs are up. However at least one area is easy to fix - medicines. Past reports suggest however with the pharmaceutical guild and free trade policies, medicines are more likely to increase than decrease. This should be an easy political fix.

For the libs who espouse increase in GST - I have yet to see a report where it won't hit the lowest socioeconomic class the hardest. If you have such a document or link, please by all means give it to me. Until then, to say it is fair when it is contrary reports is quite a false statement.

The rich can always avoid GST of course on their expensive purchases by buying overseas. Not an option on the poorest.

yeah... up to $1000, just like you can.

except that the rich can go to farkoffistan, buy a $100 000 diamond ring (for example) and wear it back and not pay any tax on it. Or a $10000 dress, or $10000 sunnies or $100 000 watches or any of an unlimited range of products that they buy overseas because it is cheaper and beause they wear it, or have worn it, do not pay tax on it

yeah beause you can wear a car or a couch or a TV or more than one jacket and of course EVERYONE is buying uber-expensive diamond rings, right? Feel free to find me $10K sunnies.

u r an idiot.

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Reply #29 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 5:52pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Look, just join the Greens, turn gay and start attending every protest, no matter how ignorant you are of the issue.

you are most of the way there already.

Too Hard?

Not on script?

Unfortunately for you my attitude is currently the prevailing one.

Are you telling 90% of the country to vote Green?

Don't know how that will go I still think they have a way to go before governance rather than irratance is a real option, but then again as posted not to long ago, how much worse could they be?????

Only 3 years then we could chuck them out.

Did you see the Newspoll, the Tele ids focusing on Shorten PPM fall but the number that caught my eye was

Quote:

However, the findings from the survey at the weekend show dissatisfaction with both men has steadily climbed since the May Budget, moving from 52 per cent to 60 per cent for Mr Abbott and 50 per cent to 59 per cent for Mr Shorten.

Quote:

But the poll showed a quarter of the 1638 voters questioned did not prefer either leader, The Australian reports.

25% wants neither & I'll put another lazy Pineapple on that number increasing.

But hey keep batting away like the obcessed stalker you are.

you hate everything, disagree with everything and find problems with everything. no one can have a debate with you because you fnd problem with everything. Your position seems to be little more than disagree with everything and everyone. We dont need more people like greens_lose thanks very much.

but if you would like a debate then answer me this: why does it matter if the poor are adversely affected by a particular decision? the definition of poor means to have less than average and thus by definition they wil be adversely affected by virtually every decision that doesnt direct largesse at them. You seem to be using the existance of 'the poor' as a sticking point for any reform policy.

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