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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #15 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Brace yourself for a scorcher: 2015 set to be warmest on record, warn climate scientists

January to April in 2015 has been the warmest start to a year on record
Nine countries have experienced record high temperatures so far in 2015

The world is on course to have its hottest year on record, according to climate change experts who fear global warming is set to send temperatures soaring.

There have already been a number of temperatures records set in 2015 with Antarctica experiencing its two warmest days ever recorded in March this year.

Equatorial Guinea, Ghana, Venezuela and Laos have all set national temperature records in the past five months while globally January to April this year has been the warmest on record at 0.68°C above average.

The past 12 months have already been the warmest on record, suggesting temperatures are beginning to rise again

According to The Times, Professor Adam Scaife, who leads the monthly to decadal climate prediction research at the Met Office, said: 'There's a pretty good chance of the global record being broken this year.

'Last December we forecast that this year would set a new record, around 0.64°C above the norm, and global temperatures are higher so far this year than at this stage in 2014.'

Meteorologists have already confirmed that a growing El Nino in the Pacific Ocean is likely to lead to a fall in rainfall in the tropics and droughts across Africa and India

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3097299/Brace-scorcher-2015-set-w...

According to global measurements by Nasa, 2014 is currently the warmest on record with global land and sea temperatures reaching 0.68°C (1.24°F) above the long term average.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the US reports that January to April this year has already surpassed the previous records for the same period.

notice how now temperatures aren't quote in actual degrees but as difference from an artificially declared 'long term average'? of course if it were reported as the variation over the average of the last 20 years it would be 0.05 degrees +/- 0.1 degrees aka no statistically valid variation.

Like all good lies, it is is how you report it that makes the difference.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years Reply #17 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment....
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #18 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... Grin

and has been since 1998. CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

and you know what? that explanation makes as much sense as the nonsense coming out from some quarters, the best of which is 'it is still warming every year' despite the evidence to the contrary.

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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... Grin

and has been since 1998. CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

and you know what? that explanation makes as much sense as the nonsense coming out from some quarters, the best of which is 'it is still warming every year' despite the evidence to the contrary.

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm: So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature? So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Swagman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?

I trust the BOM. The measurement of the coldest temperature in 18 years just exemplifies how temperature has been rising. It's just an incidental spot occurrence which does not exemplify anything.

If BOM report a declining string of cold temperatures for the next 17 years you might have a case. But you will have to be patient.

Recently in USA there was an extended cold snap which even affected retail sales by people staying indoors instead of going out. However this still did not have an effect on rising average temperature over the year.

You will have to pull more powerful arguments out of your pouch.

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Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

Regional weather and climate is very different. You need to educate yourself in order to progress in the debate. Because, just listing record temperatures in certain region is not enough to discredit the climate change model in the current scientific world. No one will take you seriously, as someone can just quote a record heat wave from another region of Earth to counter your argument.

But the general principal remain the same. Greenhouse gases traps more sun energy, thereby increase the global temperature trend, and create more extreme weather events - just by virtual of extra energy. You need to look at Venus, with its thick atmosphere, to see the extremes nature at work, it has a run away greenhouse effect on steroids. Now, Earth will probably not able to get that stage, but even a slight average global variation of a few degree, would have very devastating implications on water, and food supply, and its mainly for our future generation.

Now, people on the right often talk about getting the deficit down to ensure a better life for our future generation. Well, isnt then our responsibility right now, knowing our best science evidence, that we do everything we can to ensure a better future for our children?

Plus, even if you dont believe in climate change. It is still utmost important to save our planet from unnecessary pollutions by changing to cleaner energy sources. Furthermore, if you are a die hard capitalist, even a 10 year old know that a dwindling supply of energy source that is polluting the environment have no future.

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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-19/victoria-weather-melbourne-shivers-through...

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Melbourne has shivered its way through its coldest morning in 18 years, according to the weather bureau.

The mercury dropped to just 0.6 degrees Celsius in the city, just after 8:00am.

Weather bureau senior forecaster Richard Carlyon said the last time it was that cold in Melbourne was in 1997, when temperatures plummeted to just 0.3C.

"In some of the suburbs we've had temps down to minus one, minus two degrees and out at Coldstream down to minus four," he said.

Some Melburnians were forced to take buckets of water to their windscreens as the chill left cars frozen over.

Mr Carlyon temperatures plummeted even further in other parts of the state with widespread frost.

"Most of Victoria froze this morning," he said.

"Statewide, one of the coldest spots was Ballarat down to -5.4 earlier this morning ... so certainly the coldest for 18 years."

Most of the state is thawing out now as Melbourne heads for a sunny top of 13C.

http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/freezing.gif

....must be anthropogenic global warming theory in practice? Cheesy

http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/snow1.gif

The northern hemisphere is warmer than the southern: this has been known for a long time.

Add more temperature and what happens?

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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:39pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?

Do you know what a statistically significant trend is?

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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... Grin

and has been since 1998. CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

and you know what? that explanation makes as much sense as the nonsense coming out from some quarters, the best of which is 'it is still warming every year' despite the evidence to the contrary.

longy can't give links to back his shite up which is why he didn't Cheesy

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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Regional weather and climate is very different. You need to educate yourself in order to progress in the debate. Because, just listing record temperatures in certain region is not enough to discredit the climate change model in the current scientific world. No one will take you seriously, as someone can just quote a record heat wave from another region of Earth to counter your argument.

But the general principal remain the same. Greenhouse gases traps more sun energy, thereby increase the global temperature trend, and create more extreme weather events - just by virtual of extra energy. You need to look at Venus, with its thick atmosphere, to see the extremes nature at work, it has a run away greenhouse effect on steroids. Now, Earth will probably not able to get that stage, but even a slight average global variation of a few degree, would have very devastating implications on water, and food supply, and its mainly for our future generation.

Now, people on the right often talk about getting the deficit down to ensure a better life for our future generation. Well, isnt then our responsibility right now, knowing our best science evidence, that we do everything we can to ensure a better future for our children?

Plus, even if you dont believe in climate change. It is still utmost important to save our planet from unnecessary pollutions by changing to cleaner energy sources. Furthermore, if you are a die hard capitalist, even a 10 year old know that a dwindling supply of energy source that is polluting the environment have no future.

A tear rolled down my cheek when I read that Grin

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4151 Gender:	Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:30pm re innocentbystander. Sure, if it does entertain you. I am happy that it made you happy.
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:40pm It was the poor little children choking to death on carbon dioxide because of evil right wing scum part that got to me
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