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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:04am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

I tend to agree with your panzi but you just can't shut the entire state of Tasmania down to protect the trees..

Thats an argument for resource-rich third world countries - not for first world countries like Australia.

If our only hope for our economy is to rape our environment clean - then we really are a basket case of a country.

That's right, if we are relying on forest re-growth for our survival, we are going to run out of time.

exactly right..

but in the mean time.. Ancient Forests down in Tasmania are being wiped out along with different species of trees..

full forests of leatherwood are being ripped from the face of the earth leaving others unemployed... such as bee keepers who produce the "World Renowned" leatherwood honey...

and "IF" they bother to replant at all in Tassi..

they plant Trees....

not FORESTS... Angry

and along with all of the destruction of forests and losing plant species... we'll lose some of Australia rare and endangered wildlife....

it makes me sick... Angry

Good post Mechanic and a pleasant surprise.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:15am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

THE FACTS;This isn't just happening in Tasmania. I just came back from the Amazon (wonderful trip, thank you) and same thing is happening there. Everything that took nature billions of years to create is being decimated and turned into plastic so that a few in stretch limos can have more money then they deserve or need. Capitalism is destroying the earth and everything and everyone on it.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 10:16am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

WOW did you say 200 Sq km......you do realize Australia's land mass is 7,680,000 Sq Km??

Tasmania needs to lift it's game, pathetic effort. We all can't be employed wiping bird sh1t off solar panels ya know!

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 10:43am

Rider wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

WOW did you say 200 Sq km......you do realize Australia's land mass is 7,680,000 Sq Km??

Tasmania needs to lift it's game, pathetic effort. We all can't be employed wiping bird sh1t off solar panels ya know!

I bet that's what you tell your kids every morning.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

THE FACTS;This isn't just happening in Tasmania. I just came back from the Amazon (wonderful trip, thank you) and same thing is happening there. Everything that took nature billions of years to create is being decimated and turned into plastic so that a few in stretch limos can have more money then they deserve or need. Capitalism is destroying the earth and everything and everyone on it.

The old socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Another fraud exposed. bugger off back to Cuba, live the dream why don't ya?

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Rider wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

THE FACTS;This isn't just happening in Tasmania. I just came back from the Amazon (wonderful trip, thank you) and same thing is happening there. Everything that took nature billions of years to create is being decimated and turned into plastic so that a few in stretch limos can have more money then they deserve or need. Capitalism is destroying the earth and everything and everyone on it.

The old socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Another fraud exposed. bugger off back to Cuba, live the dream why don't ya?

Actually I'm both; a socialist and an environmentalist. What's wrong? You think just cause you can't chew gum and think at the same time everyone else is the same. I'm beginning to think cleaning bird sh!t is 1 or 2 levels above your work grade.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:17pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

THE FACTS;This isn't just happening in Tasmania. I just came back from the Amazon (wonderful trip, thank you) and same thing is happening there. Everything that took nature billions of years to create is being decimated and turned into plastic so that a few in stretch limos can have more money then they deserve or need. Capitalism is destroying the earth and everything and everyone on it.

The old socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Another fraud exposed. bugger off back to Cuba, live the dream why don't ya?

Actually I'm both; a socialist and an environmentalist. What's wrong? You think just cause you can't chew gum and think at the same time everyone else is the same. I'm beginning to think cleaning bird sh!t is 1 or 2 levels above your work grade.

The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

really?? 900 jobs to 'protect' forests that havent needed anyone before? sounds like vain imagining.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Rider wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

THE FACTS

• Tasmania’s old growth forests are home to the world’s tallest hardwood trees and a wealth of threatened wildlife such as the Tasmanian Wedge Tailed Eagle, the Swift Parrot and the Giant Fresh Water Crayfish just to name a couple

• Areas of forest that have received calls for World Heritage Nomination are still being clearfelled and woodchipped and their native wildlife deliberately poisoned and shot Angry

• Over 10,000 football fields of native forests are logged every year on public land. This is an area equivalent to 200 square kilometers, or over 500 times the size of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne

• Tasmania’s Tall wet eucalypt forest has borne the brunt of this logging and clearing for plantations
90% of native forests logged end up as woodchips

• The rate of forest clearance and subsequent conversion to plantation is the highest in Australia

• The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

THE FACTS;This isn't just happening in Tasmania. I just came back from the Amazon (wonderful trip, thank you) and same thing is happening there. Everything that took nature billions of years to create is being decimated and turned into plastic so that a few in stretch limos can have more money then they deserve or need. Capitalism is destroying the earth and everything and everyone on it.

The old socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Another fraud exposed. bugger off back to Cuba, live the dream why don't ya?

Actually I'm both; a socialist and an environmentalist. What's wrong? You think just cause you can't chew gum and think at the same time everyone else is the same. I'm beginning to think cleaning bird sh!t is 1 or 2 levels above your work grade.

The estimated number of jobs in logging Tasmania’s old growth forests is about 325. The estimated number of jobs that would be created by protecting them and re-configuring mills is well over 900.

really?? 900 jobs to 'protect' forests that havent needed anyone before? sounds like vain imagining.

Are you asking me? We all know what respect you have for the facts but perhaps if you're really interested (which frankly I doubt) you might want to ask Mechanic for the link.

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

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Tourism

Tourism brings around 1.3 billion Australian dollars into the Tasmanian economy every year. In recent times there has been an annual influx of more than 800,000 visitors. The winter months are a quiet period for tourism but in the summer there are nearly fifty cruise-ship arrivals in Hobart, daily arrivals on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry service into Devonport, and a huge boost provided by the availability of low-cost flight services.

Number One contributors to the Tasmanian economy along with Metals

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Processed metals

Production of metals brings more than 1.3 billion Australian

I have been going down to Tasmania for over 25 years and I have seen all of the tourism changes...

the growth in ecotourism has blown me away...

but also at the same time I have seen huge drops in forests as I travel around Tassie...

once where I drove/rode for miles and miles through forests.. are now open crap land... Sad

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #25 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

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Tourism

Tourism brings around 1.3 billion Australian dollars into the Tasmanian economy every year. In recent times there has been an annual influx of more than 800,000 visitors. The winter months are a quiet period for tourism but in the summer there are nearly fifty cruise-ship arrivals in Hobart, daily arrivals on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry service into Devonport, and a huge boost provided by the availability of low-cost flight services.

Number One contributors to the Tasmanian economy along with Metals

Quote:

Nyrstar Hobart Smelter
Processed metals

Production of metals brings more than 1.3 billion Australian

I have been going down to Tasmania for over 25 years and I have seen all of the tourism changes...

the growth in ecotourism has blown me away...

but also at the same time I have seen huge drops in forests as I travel around Tassie...

once where I drove/rode for miles and miles through forests.. are now open crap land... Sad

Tourism might be nice but it is still little more than the industry you have when you dont have any ACTUAL industry.

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Reply #26 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Quote:

Tourism

Tourism brings around 1.3 billion Australian dollars into the Tasmanian economy every year. In recent times there has been an annual influx of more than 800,000 visitors. The winter months are a quiet period for tourism but in the summer there are nearly fifty cruise-ship arrivals in Hobart, daily arrivals on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry service into Devonport, and a huge boost provided by the availability of low-cost flight services.

Number One contributors to the Tasmanian economy along with Metals

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Nyrstar Hobart Smelter
Processed metals

Production of metals brings more than 1.3 billion Australian

I have been going down to Tasmania for over 25 years and I have seen all of the tourism changes...

the growth in ecotourism has blown me away...

but also at the same time I have seen huge drops in forests as I travel around Tassie...

once where I drove/rode for miles and miles through forests.. are now open crap land... Sad

Tourism might be nice but it is still little more than the industry you have when you dont have any ACTUAL industry.

they used to have a big mining industry but like all mining its unsustainable...

you can grow woodchip plantations on the mainland if they want... but its easier and cheaper to destroy ancient forest in Tasmania.. that's why the f**kers are there....

once you rip out the ancient forests and torch it into history along with the endangered animals...

you have lot BOTH industries...

both industries gone...

that's not hard to understand...

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #27 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm

the first time I went to Port Author it had one little dirt car park...

now...

they have sealed multilevel car/bus parks where thousands of tourists flood in...

the same with Cradle Mountain...

a small dirt car park... you visited the rangers hut before going down to lake dove...

now...

a couple of kilometres before the rangers hut.... a massive sealed car park... café and bookings.. boom gates to control the flow of cars going in and out..

massive...

ecotourism is booming in Tassie.. they need to grow it

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #28 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:00pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

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Tourism

Tourism brings around 1.3 billion Australian dollars into the Tasmanian economy every year. In recent times there has been an annual influx of more than 800,000 visitors. The winter months are a quiet period for tourism but in the summer there are nearly fifty cruise-ship arrivals in Hobart, daily arrivals on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry service into Devonport, and a huge boost provided by the availability of low-cost flight services.

Number One contributors to the Tasmanian economy along with Metals

Quote:

Nyrstar Hobart Smelter
Processed metals

Production of metals brings more than 1.3 billion Australian

I have been going down to Tasmania for over 25 years and I have seen all of the tourism changes...

the growth in ecotourism has blown me away...

but also at the same time I have seen huge drops in forests as I travel around Tassie...

once where I drove/rode for miles and miles through forests.. are now open crap land... Sad

Tourism might be nice but it is still little more than the industry you have when you dont have any ACTUAL industry.

they used to have a big mining industry but like all mining its unsustainable...

you can grow woodchip plantations on the mainland if they want... but its easier and cheaper to destroy ancient forest in Tasmania.. that's why the f**kers are there....

once you rip out the ancient forests and torch it into history along with the endangered animals...

you have lot BOTH industries...

both industries gone...

that's not hard to understand...

so what you are saying is that Tasmania needs industry. But is there ANY industry that the Greens would allow? Why is it that the state with the biggest Green vote has the worse economy? perhaps there is a connection?

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Re: The Jobs Have Disappeared In Tasmania
Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2015 at 2:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

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Tourism

Tourism brings around 1.3 billion Australian dollars into the Tasmanian economy every year. In recent times there has been an annual influx of more than 800,000 visitors. The winter months are a quiet period for tourism but in the summer there are nearly fifty cruise-ship arrivals in Hobart, daily arrivals on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry service into Devonport, and a huge boost provided by the availability of low-cost flight services.

Number One contributors to the Tasmanian economy along with Metals

Quote:

Nyrstar Hobart Smelter
Processed metals

Production of metals brings more than 1.3 billion Australian

I have been going down to Tasmania for over 25 years and I have seen all of the tourism changes...

the growth in ecotourism has blown me away...

but also at the same time I have seen huge drops in forests as I travel around Tassie...

once where I drove/rode for miles and miles through forests.. are now open crap land... Sad

Tourism might be nice but it is still little more than the industry you have when you dont have any ACTUAL industry.

they used to have a big mining industry but like all mining its unsustainable...

you can grow woodchip plantations on the mainland if they want... but its easier and cheaper to destroy ancient forest in Tasmania.. that's why the f**kers are there....

once you rip out the ancient forests and torch it into history along with the endangered animals...

you have lot BOTH industries...

both industries gone...

that's not hard to understand...

so what you are saying is that Tasmania needs industry. But is there ANY industry that the Greens would allow? Why is it that the state with the biggest Green vote has the worse economy? perhaps there is a connection?

The size of the State and its industrial base have a not mo re to do with it. If ever there was proof that the Banana Republic Mode did not work for Australia and Australians - Tasmania is it......

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