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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21391 Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #30 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:26pm Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 3:33pm: 1-untrue, the mean air temp has been rising over the past 20 years. According to which data set? What are the error bars?
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #31 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:36pm Sorry, i reedited my post , really dont want to get bogged down in highly technical point by point battle when i can kick the whole enchilada
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21391 Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #32 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm We accept climate change is happening too. We don't see evidence of the CO2 hypothesis. CO2 will have an effect according to the physics; whether it is measurable has not been shown. Water vapour has a greater control of the atmosphere than CO2.
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Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths
Reply #33 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Sorry, i reedited my post Embarrassed

, really dont want to get bogged down in highly technical point by point battle when i can kick the whole enchilada

They only thing your going to kick is your own agates.

Of course the Earth is warming and of course there is climate change as it has always been and will always be until the Earth is no more.

What I'm disputing is the myth that is Anthropogenic Global Warming AGW.

We have seen by observations that the predictions of the IPCC computer climate models are way out.

So far out its time to throw the baby and its water out on AGW.

Now which points have been refuted and by who......??????

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths
Reply #34 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:47pm

I didn't personally refute any of the articles points.
If you forced me to pick one point to counter argue it would be the claim(point 2) that 57% of carbon emissions have occurred in the last 18 years.

This is patently false. based on available openly searchable data this figure should be around 40%.

If the essay had focused on one of its 22 points, and then actually proved it I would have found it more educational than the shotgun approach.

I agree that the IPCC climate models are out. what do your models show?

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Reply #35 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:33am

lee wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

We accept climate change is happening too. We don't see evidence of the CO2 hypothesis. CO2 will have an effect according to the physics; whether it is measurable has not been shown. Water vapour has a greater control of the atmosphere than CO2.

Water vapour is directly related to CO2 which means CO2 directly controls the temperature of the earth!

We aren't drilling for water vapour and injecting that into the atmosphere Cheesy

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Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths
Reply #36 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 12:44am:

sea levels are rising.
the cryosphere is decreasing.
2014 was the hottest year ever recorded.

To continually deny this is just silly.

The 22 Inconvenient Truths

1. The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997

No - it hasn't. Stop talking nonsense.

Global Land-Ocean Surface Temperatures, rolling 12 month average
Jan-1997,33.25
Feb-1997,32.42
Mar-1997,34.17
Apr-1997,34.25
May-1997,35
Jun-1997,37.25
Jul-1997,37.17
Aug-1997,36.42
Sep-1997,38.75
Oct-1997,42.25
Nov-1997,44.17
Dec-1997,45.75
Jan-1998,48.17
Feb-1998,52.42
Mar-1998,53.25
Apr-1998,55.58
May-1998,58.25
Jun-1998,60.17
Jul-1998,62.92
Aug-1998,65.25
Sep-1998,64.58
Oct-1998,63.08
Nov-1998,61.83
Dec-1998,61.58
Jan-1999,60.58
Feb-1999,58.92
Mar-1999,56.42
Apr-1999,53.92
May-1999,50.83
Jun-1999,47.75
Jul-1999,45.58
Aug-1999,43
Sep-1999,42.75
Oct-1999,42.58
Nov-1999,41.83
Dec-1999,41.08
Jan-2000,39.08
Feb-2000,38.25
Mar-2000,40.25
Apr-2000,42.33
May-2000,43.08
Jun-2000,43.5
Jul-2000,43.5
Aug-2000,44.08
Sep-2000,44.17
Oct-2000,43
Nov-2000,42.33
Dec-2000,40.83
Jan-2001,42.33
Feb-2001,41.5
Mar-2001,41.67
Apr-2001,41.08
May-2001,42.5
Jun-2001,43.42
Jul-2001,44.92
Aug-2001,45.42
Sep-2001,46.33
Oct-2001,48.08
Nov-2001,51.17
Dec-2001,53.25
Jan-2002,55.83
Feb-2002,58.08
Mar-2002,60.67
Apr-2002,61.08
May-2002,61.58
Jun-2002,61.67
Jul-2002,61.67
Aug-2002,62.08
Sep-2002,62.83
Oct-2002,63.42
Nov-2002,62.67
Dec-2002,61.83
Jan-2003,61.75
Feb-2003,60.08
Mar-2003,57.25
Apr-2003,56.92
May-2003,56.75
Jun-2003,56.08
Jul-2003,55.67
Aug-2003,56.58
Sep-2003,56.67
Oct-2003,58.17
Nov-2003,57.67
Dec-2003,60.17
Jan-2004,58.83
Feb-2004,59.92
Mar-2004,60.58
Apr-2004,61.25
May-2004,59.5
Jun-2004,58.92
Jul-2004,56.33
Aug-2004,54.33
Sep-2004,53.25
Oct-2004,52.42
Nov-2004,53.83
Dec-2004,51.92
Jan-2005,53
Feb-2005,52.08
Mar-2005,52.42
Apr-2005,53
May-2005,54.75
Jun-2005,56.83
Jul-2005,60.17
Aug-2005,61.75
Sep-2005,63.75
Oct-2005,64.92
Nov-2005,65.08
Dec-2005,66.33
Jan-2006,65
Feb-2006,65.83
Mar-2006,65.25
Apr-2006,63.42
May-2006,62
Jun-2006,61.67
Jul-2006,60.67
Aug-2006,61.25
Sep-2006,60
Oct-2006,59.08
Nov-2006,58.92
Dec-2006,59.75
Jan-2007,63.08
Feb-2007,63.08
Mar-2007,63.75
Apr-2007,65.92
May-2007,67.58
Jun-2007,67.17
Jul-2007,67.67
Aug-2007,66.83
Sep-2007,67.08
Oct-2007,66.33
Nov-2007,65.08
Dec-2007,62.67
Jan-2008,56.92
Feb-2008,54.08
Mar-2008,54.25
Apr-2008,52.5
May-2008,51.08
Jun-2008,50.08
Jul-2008,49.92
Aug-2008,48.42
Sep-2008,48.17
Oct-2008,48.58
Nov-2008,49.25
Dec-2008,49.67
Jan-2009,52.42
Feb-2009,53.83
Mar-2009,52.08
Apr-2009,52.67
May-2009,53.67
Jun-2009,55.17
Jul-2009,56.08
Aug-2009,58
Sep-2009,58.42
Oct-2009,58.17
Nov-2009,58.92
Dec-2009,59.58
Jan-2010,60.33
Feb-2010,62.5
Mar-2010,65.67
Apr-2010,67.75
May-2010,68.67
Jun-2010,68.5
Jul-2010,67.75
Aug-2010,67.58
Sep-2010,66.92
Oct-2010,67.5
Nov-2010,67.75
Dec-2010,66.58
Jan-2011,64.92
Feb-2011,62.42
Mar-2011,60
Apr-2011,58.17
May-2011,56.33
Jun-2011,55.83
Jul-2011,56.92
Aug-2011,57.67
Sep-2011,57.33
Oct-2011,56.92
Nov-2011,55
Dec-2011,55.33
Jan-2012,54.83
Feb-2012,54.67
Mar-2012,54.17
Apr-2012,54.33
May-2012,56.25
Jun-2012,56.67
Jul-2012,55
Aug-2012,54
Sep-2012,55.33
Oct-2012,56.25
Nov-2012,57.67
Dec-2012,57.5
Jan-2013,59.33
Feb-2013,60.08
Mar-2013,60.75
Apr-2013,59.58
May-2013,58.33
Jun-2013,58.42
Jul-2013,58.67
Aug-2013,59
Sep-2013,59.33
Oct-2013,58.42
Nov-2013,58.92
Dec-2013,60.08
Jan-2014,60.67
Feb-2014,60
Mar-2014,60.92
Apr-2014,62.92
May-2014,64.83
Jun-2014,64.92
Jul-2014,64.67
Aug-2014,65.75
Sep-2014,66.58
Oct-2014,68
Nov-2014,67
Dec-2014,68
Jan-2015,68.5
Feb-2015,71.67
Mar-2015,72.75
Apr-2015,72.67
May-2015,72
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sea levels are rising.
the cryosphere is decreasing.
Surface temperatures are increasing
2014 was the hottest year ever recorded.

To continually deny this is just silly.

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Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths
Reply #37 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

The 22 Inconvenient Truths

2. 57% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997, but the temperature has been stable. How to uphold that anthropic CO2 emissions (or anthropic cumulative emissions) cause an increase of the Mean Global Temperature?

The temperature has NOT been stable (see above) it is increasing

sea levels are rising.
the cryosphere is decreasing.
Surface temperatures are increasing
2014 was the hottest year ever recorded.

To continually deny this is just silly.

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #38 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:04pm rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:40pm: sea levels are rising. the cryosphere is decreasing. Surface temperatures are increasing 2014 was the hottest year ever recorded. To continually deny this is just silly. To claim natural variation is actually a man made catastrophe is even sillier
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Reply #39 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:47pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

sea levels are rising.
the cryosphere is decreasing.
Surface temperatures are increasing
2014 was the hottest year ever recorded.

To continually deny this is just silly.

To claim natural variation is actually a man made catastrophe is even sillier Grin

What is driving this "natural variation"?

Can you tell us?

Or are you just some ignorant hippy that will claim "it's natural" when confronted with things you don't understand?

We have a very robust theory based on the very well understood physical characteristic of greenhouse gasses that they absorb and re-emit energy of certain wavelengths, that is supported by decades of empirical evidence. Further supported by atmospheric modelling that shows that natural drivers alone can not explain the observed global warming without including the impact of increasing anthropogenic GHGs.

What exactly IS this "natural" driver you are alluding to that has somehow escaped the notice of the world's scientific community? You should tell us - there would be a Nobel Prize in it for you.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21391 Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #40 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 5:38pm Giss "Data"? Oh, the inhumanity. Edit: I see GISS is now using the new, improved ERSST v4 ocean temperature data set, brought to you by Karl et al. The one with the 10% significance factor, backed by noisy +/-1.7C ships' data.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths Reply #41 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:22pm A picture paints a thousand words
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Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:10pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

lee wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

We accept climate change is happening too. We don't see evidence of the CO2 hypothesis. CO2 will have an effect according to the physics; whether it is measurable has not been shown. Water vapour has a greater control of the atmosphere than CO2.

Water vapour is directly related to CO2 which means CO2 directly controls the temperature of the earth!

We aren't drilling for water vapour and injecting that into the atmosphere Cheesy

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Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

lee wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

We accept climate change is happening too. We don't see evidence of the CO2 hypothesis. CO2 will have an effect according to the physics; whether it is measurable has not been shown. Water vapour has a greater control of the atmosphere than CO2.

Water vapour is directly related to CO2 which means CO2 directly controls the temperature of the earth!

We aren't drilling for water vapour and injecting that into the atmosphere Cheesy

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Huh??? How much crack have you smoked today buddy???

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Reply #44 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:32pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

lee wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

We accept climate change is happening too. We don't see evidence of the CO2 hypothesis. CO2 will have an effect according to the physics; whether it is measurable has not been shown. Water vapour has a greater control of the atmosphere than CO2.

Water vapour is directly related to CO2 which means CO2 directly controls the temperature of the earth!

We aren't drilling for water vapour and injecting that into the atmosphere Cheesy

lee doesn't like this comment!

Huh??? How much crack have you smoked today buddy???

CO2 traps the heat: therefore CO2 is directly related to water vapour!

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