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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Australian submarines $1.7 billion Chinese $0.35 Reply #45 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:31pm I would not buy the Chinese Subs... although im a big fan of the Australia/China ties and for that to get stronger.. I don't think we are all that Luvvy Duvvy just yet... i'd buy the Japanese Subs... tried ad proven...
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Reply #46 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:21pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

I would not buy the Chinese Subs...

although im a big fan of the Australia/China ties and for that to get stronger.. I don't think we are all that Luvvy Duvvy just yet...

i'd buy the Japanese Subs... tried ad proven...

You're a mechanic and you like tinkering with greasy contraptions. What's better for you than Australian built Collins class submarines. A lifetime of tinkering there.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australian submarines $1.7 billion Chinese $0.35 Reply #47 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm Why can't we think laterally? How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping - & an advanced air to ship attack capability to destroy any ship invading us? Why do we need submarines?
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Reply #48 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:

You're a mechanic and you like tinkering with greasy contraptions. What's better for you than Australian built Collins class submarines. A lifetime of tinkering there.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why do we need submarines?

To sink them refugee ships, bobby.

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Reply #49 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

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Reply #50 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

But that was in 1980 -

technology has advanced now - air power is orders of magnitude stronger.

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Reply #51 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:42am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

I would not buy the Chinese Subs...

although im a big fan of the Australia/China ties and for that to get stronger.. I don't think we are all that Luvvy Duvvy just yet...

i'd buy the Japanese Subs... tried ad proven...

What? .... at the expense of Australian industry, employment & resources?

The FTA with China is only a win for them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #52 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:45am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

Yeah of course ..... the whole 6 of them Roll Eyes

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Reply #53 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 9:01am

Gnads wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

Yeah of course ..... the whole 6 of them Roll Eyes

And only 1 or 2 in the water.

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Reply #54 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:17am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

But that was in 1980 -

technology has advanced now - air power is orders of magnitude stronger.

It has advanced on both sides of the equation, Bobby. Submarines are quieter, dive deeper and patrol further. ASW assets can listen better, but still can't automatically detect a submarine. Ships are vulnerable to longer ranged torpedoes and missiles launched from submarines. There is no certainty in ASW, Bobby. You have to hear the submarine and destroy it before it destroys you. The ocean is vast and deep and somewhere in it might be a submarine. Are you willing to chance sending a ship out against it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #55 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am

Gnads wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

Yeah of course ..... the whole 6 of them Roll Eyes

Three, actually, of which we can actually send two to sea at any one time, Gnads. Where in the ocean are they? Near you or on the other side of the Pacific? Do you know? I don't. Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:16am

Gnads wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

I would not buy the Chinese Subs...

although im a big fan of the Australia/China ties and for that to get stronger.. I don't think we are all that Luvvy Duvvy just yet...

i'd buy the Japanese Subs... tried ad proven...

What? .... at the expense of Australian industry, employment & resources?

The FTA with China is only a win for them. Roll Eyes

oh yeah of course...

China population is around 1.4 Billion with over 8.5 Million births already this year...

Australian population... 23.6 Million...

so guess who's going to benefit on the export front?
guess who's going to benefit on jobs per capita.. ?

you can't just keep Australian jobs at any cost to the Australian public...

if the Union Thugs have pushed wages so high that the employee's positions are not cost effective or competitive, and their workmanship and skill are atrocious.. then they have to go... and that's not even taking into account of Union Extortion against Australian companies..

just ask Bull Shitten.... Angry

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Reply #57 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:20am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

But that was in 1980 -

technology has advanced now - air power is orders of magnitude stronger.

It has advanced on both sides of the equation, Bobby. Submarines are quieter, dive deeper and patrol further. ASW assets can listen better, but still can't automatically detect a submarine. Ships are vulnerable to longer ranged torpedoes and missiles launched from submarines. There is no certainty in ASW, Bobby. You have to hear the submarine and destroy it before it destroys you. The ocean is vast and deep and somewhere in it might be a submarine. Are you willing to chance sending a ship out against it? Roll Eyes

Diesel subs might dive deeper but they have to come to the surface every day
to take on air & run their diesel motors to
recharge their batteries.
This makes them vulnerable to attack from the air.

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Reply #58 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:39am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Why can't we think laterally?

How about a few satellites to monitor all enemy shipping -
& an advanced air to ship attack capability to
destroy any ship invading us?

Why do we need submarines?

Bobby, anti-submarine warfare is what nearly destroyed the British and did destroy the Japanese in WWII. Unrestricted submarine warfare is deadly. The mere presence of submarines in the Falklands forced the Argentines to retreat to port and nearly forced the Royal Navy to abandon it's effort to retake the Islands. In every war where submarines have been used, they have proved to be effective and combating them time consuming and expensive. Any potential aggressor against us must invest heavily in ASW assets and practice to defeat our submarines. QED. Roll Eyes

But that was in 1980 -

technology has advanced now - air power is orders of magnitude stronger.

It has advanced on both sides of the equation, Bobby. Submarines are quieter, dive deeper and patrol further. ASW assets can listen better, but still can't automatically detect a submarine. Ships are vulnerable to longer ranged torpedoes and missiles launched from submarines. There is no certainty in ASW, Bobby. You have to hear the submarine and destroy it before it destroys you. The ocean is vast and deep and somewhere in it might be a submarine. Are you willing to chance sending a ship out against it? Roll Eyes

Diesel subs might dive deeper but they have to come to the surface every dayto take on air & run their diesel motors to
recharge their batteries.
This makes them vulnerable to attack from the air.

I call bullshit...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australian submarines $1.7 billion Chinese $0.35 Reply #59 - Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:43am Quote: I call bullshit... forgiven namaste
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