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Re: Human Extinction
Reply #45 - Jun 23rd, 2015 at 9:09am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:57am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:39pm:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 10:31am:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2015 at 11:07pm:
Theres zero dispute we are at the start of a mass extinction event, I repeat, zero. The only dispute can be what effect it will have on the human race.



And that is as unlikely as there being 'zero dispute' on man being 100% the cause of climate change.

There is ALWAYS dispute in science.



Hang on. Who claimed humans are 100% cause of climate change?
This is the sort of behaviour from LW, not you to make claims like this.

Humans are the major cause driving climate change and the mass extinction occurring.

And humans going extinct staying on our current path is highly likely.


You alarmist idiots usually claim humans are either the 'major driver' or the SOLE driver of ACC...and don't bother to deny it.



I have never claimed sole, and I have never seen anyone else claim it.
Humans are the main driver of AGW, yes.


And to claim those opposed to you opinion 'alarmist idiots', has an alien taken over your body. You are usually better than this.


Was just picking you up on your lazy claim, now lets return to topic.


You may not have claimed 'sole', but a number of people HAVE, and  even claiming 'major' is completely stupid, and rates up there with Ehrlich's ideas (i.e, is bullshit)

And talking about 'alarmist idiots' is no different to you lot carrying on about 'deniers' instead of skeptics...
I disagree with Greens on one point. This kind of absurd exaggeration (ie  that global warmest are claiming that humans are 100% responsible for global warming) is what gizmo usually engages in when he's losing the argument. I have NEVER seen anyone make that claim. It's just a fabricated claim to support a position that Gizmo takes for ideological reasons and has absolutely no interest in where the actual truth lies.


And what does "The science is in, the debate is over" mean??
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Re: Human Extinction
Reply #46 - Jun 23rd, 2015 at 10:11am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 9:09am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:57am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 3:39pm:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 10:31am:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2015 at 11:07pm:
Theres zero dispute we are at the start of a mass extinction event, I repeat, zero. The only dispute can be what effect it will have on the human race.



And that is as unlikely as there being 'zero dispute' on man being 100% the cause of climate change.

There is ALWAYS dispute in science.



Hang on. Who claimed humans are 100% cause of climate change?
This is the sort of behaviour from LW, not you to make claims like this.

Humans are the major cause driving climate change and the mass extinction occurring.

And humans going extinct staying on our current path is highly likely.


You alarmist idiots usually claim humans are either the 'major driver' or the SOLE driver of ACC...and don't bother to deny it.



I have never claimed sole, and I have never seen anyone else claim it.
Humans are the main driver of AGW, yes.


And to claim those opposed to you opinion 'alarmist idiots', has an alien taken over your body. You are usually better than this.


Was just picking you up on your lazy claim, now lets return to topic.


You may not have claimed 'sole', but a number of people HAVE, and  even claiming 'major' is completely stupid, and rates up there with Ehrlich's ideas (i.e, is bullshit)

And talking about 'alarmist idiots' is no different to you lot carrying on about 'deniers' instead of skeptics...
I disagree with Greens on one point. This kind of absurd exaggeration (ie  that global warmest are claiming that humans are 100% responsible for global warming) is what gizmo usually engages in when he's losing the argument. I have NEVER seen anyone make that claim. It's just a fabricated claim to support a position that Gizmo takes for ideological reasons and has absolutely no interest in where the actual truth lies.


And what does "The science is in, the debate is over" mean??
Well one thing the quote is NOT saying is that "Humans are 100% responsible for global warming". The second thing is your quote looks like something you just made up, which is consistent with what you do. So please tell us, who said it and better still post the link.
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Re: Human Extinction
Reply #47 - Jun 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:41am:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Humans are the major cause driving climate change ...



That's one theory.

Very little in the way of credible, reliable evidence to back it up though.




We are now the most powerful force on the planet and we have changed close to, if not every, ecosystem on the planet.

i.e
Below are 51 facts on deforestation

Facts 1:  Forests cover 30% of the earth’s land.

Facts 2: It is estimated that within 100 years there will be no rainforests.

Facts 3: Agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation

Facts 4: One and a half acres of forest is cut down every second.

Facts 5: Loss of forests contributes between 12 percent and 17 percent of annual global greenhouse gas emissions. (World Resources Institute)

etc etc etc

www.conserve-energy-future.com/various-deforestation-facts.php
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Reply #48 - Jun 23rd, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
____ wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:41am:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Humans are the major cause driving climate change ...



That's one theory.

Very little in the way of credible, reliable evidence to back it up though.




We are now the most powerful force on the planet and we have changed close to, if not every, ecosystem on the planet.

i.e
Below are 51 facts on deforestation

Facts 1:  Forests cover 30% of the earth’s land.

Facts 2: It is estimated that within 100 years there will be no rainforests.

Facts 3: Agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation

Facts 4: One and a half acres of forest is cut down every second.

Facts 5: Loss of forests contributes between 12 percent and 17 percent of annual global greenhouse gas emissions. (World Resources Institute)

etc etc etc

www.conserve-energy-future.com/various-deforestation-facts.php


Deforestation is a big problem especially when its sacrificed for farm land.

If we could stop deforestation this would be imo a bigger goal than reducing CO2 emission from burning fossil fuels.

I would rather have people in the third world having access to electricity via coal powered power stations rather than them tearing down the forests to keep warm.
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Re: Human Extinction
Reply #49 - Jun 23rd, 2015 at 10:20pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
____ wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:41am:
____ wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Humans are the major cause driving climate change ...



That's one theory.

Very little in the way of credible, reliable evidence to back it up though.




We are now the most powerful force on the planet and we have changed close to, if not every, ecosystem on the planet.

i.e
Below are 51 facts on deforestation

Facts 1:  Forests cover 30% of the earth’s land.

Facts 2: It is estimated that within 100 years there will be no rainforests.

Facts 3: Agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation

Facts 4: One and a half acres of forest is cut down every second.

Facts 5: Loss of forests contributes between 12 percent and 17 percent of annual global greenhouse gas emissions. (World Resources Institute)

etc etc etc

www.conserve-energy-future.com/various-deforestation-facts.php


Deforestation is a big problem especially when its sacrificed for farm land.

If we could stop deforestation this would be imo a bigger goal than reducing CO2 emission from burning fossil fuels.

I would rather have people in the third world having access to electricity via coal powered power stations rather than them tearing down the forests to keep warm.



It's not a choice between deforesting and coal.
We can aim at stopping deforesting and using renewables and lifting people with electricity from those clean energy sources.
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Re: Human Extinction
Reply #50 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 8:38am
 
According to the best estimates, 99.9 percent of all the species that ever existed on earth have gone extinct. A similar fate awaits the extant ones. A lot has to go right for a new species to establish itself, yet even then most of its members do not partake in the species’s success, for they either die early, fail to reproduce, or get eliminated by enemies, competitors, or nature’s adversities. Given the great quotient of failure in the struggle for life, one could say that every living organism descends from ancestors that beat the odds—that were “winners.” However, in this sense “winning” means little more than the perpetuation of loss. If the measure of success is survival, even the fittest members of a flourishing species are losers in the long run.

In antiquity humans were referred to as “mortals,” which meant that they were destined not only to die but also to suffer loss, misfortune, and disaster. By comparison with the immortal gods, even the loftiest mortals are losers in the long run (as Achilles realizes in Hades). In his book In Praise of Failure, the philosopher and essayist Costica Bradatan reminds us that we flash into existence between “two instantiations of nothingness,” namely the nothingness before we were born and the one after we die. Each one of us, ontologically speaking, is next to nothing. And each one of us, despite our precarious condition, has something to lose. “Myths, religion, spirituality, philosophy, science, works of art and literature”—all, according to Bradatan, seek to make our next-to-nothingness “a little more bearable.”

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2024/03/07/at-ease-amid-the-ruins-in-praise-of-...

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