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Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/chinese-greenhouse-gas-emissions-ma...

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Agence France-Presse

Monday 8 June 2015 15.49 AEST

China’s greenhouse gas emissions will probably peak in 2025, five years earlier than its stated target, a study said on Monday, in a boost for hopes to curb climate change.

On current trends, the world’s biggest carbon emitter will discharge 12.5-14bn tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (GtCO2e) in 2025, after which emissions will decline, it said.

The work was carried out by two research institutes at the London School of Economics (LSE).

“This finding suggests it is increasingly likely that the world will avoid global warming of more than 2C above pre-industrial levels,” they said in a statement.

The average temperature goal, which translates into 3.6F, is the upper limit targeted by the UN, which is seeking to enshrine it in a global accord in December.

Now it just remains for rogue countries like Australia to be led into the 21st Century.

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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #1 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

Wow, 5 years before they might look at it.

Then again, it may not.

'On current trends, the world’s biggest carbon emitter will discharge 12.5-14bn tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (GtCO2e) in 2025, after which emissions will decline, it said.'

Australia's emissions 319m tonnes. That bloody profligate Australia.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025, Reply #2 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months. Still see Australia as the problem?
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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #3 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

Andrei is a nazi, lol: like we didn't know Roll Eyes

What's the bet andrei secretly promotes black and gay culture Grin

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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #4 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21369 Gender:	Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025, Reply #5 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 7:56pm China 2013 - 10.33bn Tonne 12 years to 2025 a conservative average of 11.5bn, 138 bn tonne. That's a lot of gas. Burp.
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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #6 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:32pm

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

Why?? since China will out strip Australia (by a LOT) in the next 10 years??

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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #7 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

Why?? since China will out strip Australia (by a LOT) in the next 10 years??

Why get out of bed when all the oldies hate their kids ?

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025, Reply #8 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:14pm lee wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 7:56pm: China 2013 - 10.33bn Tonne 12 years to 2025 a conservative average of 11.5bn, 138 bn tonne. That's a lot of gas. Burp. The oldies own all the houses: let's all kill ourselves and stop living
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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #9 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:18pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

Why?? since China will out strip Australia (by a LOT) in the next 10 years??

Why get out of bed when all the oldies hate their kids ?

Perhaps because the oldies DON'T hate kids...It's only drug f**ked idiots that 'think' they do...

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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #10 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:58am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

Why?? since China will out strip Australia (by a LOT) in the next 10 years??

So you think that all countries with less than 30 million people should do nothing?

The last time I checked, Australia was part of the world.

It's like being a part of a rowing team, and saying - I'm not going to row. There are another 7 people rowing. They can do 87.5% of the job without me. My contribution is negligible.

There is a good chance that the major polluters will come up with an accord for 2025 at the Paris convention. The US, China and Germany have all made huge commitments to date.

I've no doubt that Lomborg, Lindzen, and the other circus clowns will be out in force during that event.

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Re: Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025,
Reply #11 - Jun 10^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

If Australia reduced it's entire emissions to zero (ie nobody produced anything at all) - China's increase alone would eat up the reduction in six months.

Still see Australia as the problem?

It's a question of pulling your weight. Even countries like the Netherlands or Denmark can do it, so why shouldn't Australia ?

We could be net exporters of renewable energy with our solar resources.

Why?? since China will out strip Australia (by a LOT) in the next 10 years??

So you think that all countries with less than 30 million people should do nothing?

The last time I checked, Australia was part of the world.

It's like being a part of a rowing team, and saying - I'm not going to row. There are another 7 people rowing. They can do 87.5% of the job without me. My contribution is negligible.

There is a good chance that the major polluters will come up with an accord for 2025 at the Paris convention. The US, China and Germany have all made huge commitments to date.

I've no doubt that Lomborg, Lindzen, and the other circus clowns will be out in force during that event.

Australia has already called Lomborg out and seeing Australia is globally recognised for having dodged the global recession I think Lomborg has done his dash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #12 - Jun 12^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

Australia's contribution is negligible.......!!!

No need to send millions of Australia's tax payer monies to the United Nations and the world bank, or the $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market.

Thank you very much.

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Known Data

From thermodynamics (ideal gas)

One mol at one atmosphere (101.3 Kpa)

@25° C = 24.465L/mol
@0° C = 22.414L/mol

From the periodic table (Molar mass number)

Carbon (C) = 12.011g mol-1
Oxygen (O) = 15.999g mol-1 use 16g mol-1

Therefore the molar mass of CO2 is
CO2 = 12.011 + (2x16) = 42.011g mol-1

From Wikipedia

Current concentrations of CO2 in our atmosphere are at 0.039%
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1. Calculations to find the total volume of CO2 in one cubic metre of air

Now one cubic metre of air is equal to one thousand litres (1000L).

Where L = Litres

Therefore the total volume in Litres (L) of CO2 in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is

1000 x 0.00039 = 0.39 L (Total volume of CO2 in one cubic metre of air)

97% CO2 comes from the ecosystems = 97% of 0.39 = 0.3783 L _ (378.3 milliliters natural CO2)

3% CO2 comes from man = 3% of 0.39 = 0.0117 L _ (11.7 millilitres manmade CO2)

Australia’s emissions are (1.5% of all manmade CO2) within that one cubic metre (1000L) of air our contribution of CO2 volume is

1.5% x 11.7 = 0.1755 millilitres that’s not even one millilitre

2. Calculations to find the total mass of CO2 in one cubic metre of air

The formula to find the mass of CO2 in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is,

m = n x M

Where m = mass in grams
n = moles
M = molar mass

Therefore one mole of CO2 = 0.39/24.465 = 0.01594

And the total mass of CO2 contained in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is

m = n x m
m = 0.01594 x 42
m = 0.6695 grams that's not even one gram

97% CO2 comes from the ecosystems = 97% of 0.6695 = 0.649415 grams (natural)

3% CO2 comes from man = 3% of 0.6695 = 0.020085 grams (manmade)

Australia’s emissions are (1.5% of all manmade CO2) within that one cubic metre (1000L) of air our contribution of CO2 mass is

1.5% x 0.020085 = 0.000301275 grams that’s way below one gram.

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Reply #13 - Jun 13^th, 2015 at 11:07am

lee wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Wow, 5 years before they might look at it.

Then again, it may not.

'On current trends, the world’s biggest carbon emitter will discharge 12.5-14bn tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (GtCO2e) in 2025, after which emissions will decline, it said.'

Australia's emissions 319m tonnes. That bloody profligate Australia.

China is only 60 times our population Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Jun 13^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Ajax wrote on Jun 12^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Australia's contribution is negligible.......!!!

No need to send millions of Australia's tax payer monies to the United Nations and the world bank, or the $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market.

Thank you very much.

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Known Data

From thermodynamics (ideal gas)

One mol at one atmosphere (101.3 Kpa)

@25° C = 24.465L/mol
@0° C = 22.414L/mol

From the periodic table (Molar mass number)

Carbon (C) = 12.011g mol-1
Oxygen (O) = 15.999g mol-1 use 16g mol-1

Therefore the molar mass of CO2 is
CO2 = 12.011 + (2x16) = 42.011g mol-1

From Wikipedia

Current concentrations of CO2 in our atmosphere are at 0.039%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------

1. Calculations to find the total volume of CO2 in one cubic metre of air

Now one cubic metre of air is equal to one thousand litres (1000L).

Where L = Litres

Therefore the total volume in Litres (L) of CO2 in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is

1000 x 0.00039 = 0.39 L (Total volume of CO2 in one cubic metre of air)

97% CO2 comes from the ecosystems = 97% of 0.39 = 0.3783 L _ (378.3 milliliters natural CO2)

3% CO2 comes from man = 3% of 0.39 = 0.0117 L _ (11.7 millilitres manmade CO2)

Australia’s emissions are (1.5% of all manmade CO2) within that one cubic metre (1000L) of air our contribution of CO2 volume is

1.5% x 11.7 = 0.1755 millilitres that’s not even one millilitre

2. Calculations to find the total mass of CO2 in one cubic metre of air

The formula to find the mass of CO2 in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is,

m = n x M

Where m = mass in grams
n = moles
M = molar mass

Therefore one mole of CO2 = 0.39/24.465 = 0.01594

And the total mass of CO2 contained in one cubic metre (1000L) of air is

m = n x m
m = 0.01594 x 42
m = 0.6695 grams that's not even one gram

97% CO2 comes from the ecosystems = 97% of 0.6695 = 0.649415 grams (natural)

3% CO2 comes from man = 3% of 0.6695 = 0.020085 grams (manmade)

Australia’s emissions are (1.5% of all manmade CO2) within that one cubic metre (1000L) of air our contribution of CO2 mass is

1.5% x 0.020085 = 0.000301275 grams that’s way below one gram.

China is 60 times our population !!

Ajax can't do maths Cheesy

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