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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #45 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:26pm You mean like 97% of scientists, CO2 is the 'control knob'?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #46 - Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:34pm lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:26pm: You mean like 97% of scientists, CO2 is the 'control knob'? No, I mean like: "lee is pretending he doesn't know what document shock is!!!!! "
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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #47 - Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 2:06am:

Ajax wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 9:39am:

Marla wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 2:42am:

Bat Boy post more Koch Brothers rhetoric. Oh dear.

My dear Miss Muffet if you had two bob between your ears, you would realise that even though CO2 is a green house gas and yes CO2 does help to heat the Earth up.

CO2 is present in such small quantities (that's why its a trace gas) its so minor that it and all the other trace gases combined only account for one percent of the green house effect here on Earth.

Water vapour and clouds account for 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth.

Now runaway and open some text book to do some studies.

How about I tell you for the trillionth time:

water is in a cycle!

** I can't keep giving you the reach around buddy: I'm a wanted man bro Cheesy

Hi Cerberus I know you struggle to understand things so let me correct your error.

Water is in the cycle should be Water is the cycle..!!

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #48 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 12:48am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

So how relevant is the sun to the current/recent climate activity, 75%? 90%? 95%??

The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone. During this period, the sum of solar and volcanic forcings would likely have produced cooling, not warming.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1432893299;virboard=;quot...

That is your question answered Gizmo.

Can can you answer a question and not run away?

On another thread you claimed that global glacial ice mass was "going up".

This is contrary to all published results - for example:

The average mass balance of the glaciers with available long-term observation series around the world continues to be negative, with tentative figures indicating a further thickness reduction of 0.89 metres water equivalent (m w.e.) during the hydrological year 2013.
http://www.wgms.ch/mbb/sum13.html

You really should apologise for telling lies Gizmo before you post again on here. You were caught red-handed.

If you don't agree - please prove me wrong right now and post some evidence to support your statement that global glacial ice mass is "going up".

We are waiting Gizmo

Well I hope you are holding your breath too.
Because I already did provide evidence that global glacial ice mass is going up.

No you haven't Gizmo. Don't compound your lie and make it worse.

You said: global glacial ice mass is "going up".
Post your evidence here. Now. Or apologise for telling lies.

We are waiting Gizmo.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

And by the way rabbit, the question was how much of the warming during the previous warm periods, such as Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period, was caused by the sun, and what percentage is the sun responsible for in the recent warming??

You told a lie Gizmo. You said that global glacial mass balance is going up

We are still waiting for your evidence - you liar.

Stop running away Gizmo. I have called you a liar Gizmo. Prove me wrong. Show us evidence that global glacial mass balance is going up.

Let's see it Liar.

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #49 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:08am Ajax wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 9:39am: CO2 is present in such small quantities (that's why its a trace gas) its so minor So CO2 is a bit like brain cells in your case?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #50 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 6:38pm lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 6:26pm: You mean like 97% of scientists, CO2 is the 'control knob'? You're saying complex systems with feedback mechanisms don't exist ?
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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #51 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 6:39pm

Ajax wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 2:06am:

Ajax wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 9:39am:

Marla wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 2:42am:

Bat Boy post more Koch Brothers rhetoric. Oh dear.

My dear Miss Muffet if you had two bob between your ears, you would realise that even though CO2 is a green house gas and yes CO2 does help to heat the Earth up.

CO2 is present in such small quantities (that's why its a trace gas) its so minor that it and all the other trace gases combined only account for one percent of the green house effect here on Earth.

Water vapour and clouds account for 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth.

Now runaway and open some text book to do some studies.

How about I tell you for the trillionth time:

water is in a cycle!

** I can't keep giving you the reach around buddy: I'm a wanted man bro Cheesy

Hi Cerberus I know you struggle to understand things so let me correct your error.

Water is in the cycle should be Water is the cycle..!!

lol, so complex systems with feedback mechanisms don't exist?

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #52 - Jun 7^th, 2015 at 11:01am

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on May 31^st, 2015 at 9:39am:

CO2 is present in such small quantities (that's why its a trace gas) its so minor

So CO2 is a bit like brain cells in your case?

Well if its not the pot calling the kettle black.....????

If your so smart how can you take the word of the IPCC that all global warming is due to mans emissions of CO2, because their computer models say so.

What other evidence have you got other than the IPCC computer models........??????????

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #53 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:12pm Do you have evidence of global mean temperature other than referring to models prepared by climate scientists? (or meddled with by Bob Tisdale)
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #54 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:25pm try here- http://www.thegwpf.com/ross-mckitrick-a-first-look-at-karl-et-al-2015/ Graphs from climate4you and nature.com
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #55 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:49pm lee wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:25pm: try here- http://www.thegwpf.com/ross-mckitrick-a-first-look-at-karl-et-al-2015/ Graphs from climate4you and nature.com More document shock- looks professional apart from the logical analysis of course.
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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #56 - Jun 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Do you have evidence of global mean temperature other than referring to models prepared by climate scientists?

(or meddled with by Bob Tisdale)

Of course we do, where do you think our evidence to counter the IPCC climate models comes from....????

Weather ballons, satelites, the ARGO, thermometers etc.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #57 - Jun 12^th, 2015 at 5:28pm The output of theoretical models is NOT data.
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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #58 - Jun 13^th, 2015 at 11:13am

lee wrote on Jun 12^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

The output of theoretical models is NOT data.

What is data, einstein?

lee doesn't have a clue: watch him dodge answering this question... who bets he will get a slave to answer it for him Grin

go slavery and blueblooded fascists like lee yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Roll Eyes

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #59 - Jun 13^th, 2015 at 2:30pm lee wrote on Jun 12^th, 2015 at 5:28pm: The output of theoretical models is NOT data. So true ........
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