Australian Politics Forum - How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?

Svengali

Gold Member

Offline

Please don't thank me

Posts: 3474
Gender: male

How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
May 27^th, 2015 at 12:35pm

It seems that in a recent battle the Iraqis and their allies ran out of ammunition while ISIS seemed well supplied.

Who is supplying weapons and munitions to ISIS? Where are the supplies coming from? Who is financing it and how are the transactions being made invisible to the international community?

It could only be 3 adjacent countries that are supplying weapons. Jordan, Turkey and Israel while the origin of the weapons is evidently Saudi Arabia.

It must be being done by air at night because road transport and day time flights are too vulnerable.

Quote:

Separately, Hussein al-Ramahi, who heads the political commission of the Iranian-backed Hezbollah brigades, disclosed that his forces have discovered Saudi-supplied arms and ammunition in areas taken back from ISIS control that have been dropped to ISIS fighters from unidentified aircraft.

“The Iraqi security and popular forces have discovered Saudi-supplied weapons in regions liberated from ISIS control,” Ramahi told FarNews Agency.

“We have discovered boxes containing weapons and equipment with Saudi names and labels on them,” he said.

The allegation of supplying weapons could not be confirmed.

However, it is consistent with a recent report by the London-based Conflict Armament Research Ltd., which did an analysis of weapons and ammunition captured from ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria late last year.

“M79 90 mm anti-tank rockets captured from ISIS forces in Syria are identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the ‘Free Syrian Army’ umbrella in 2013,” the CAR report said.

Saudi Arabia fingered as one of ISIS weapons suppliers

Back to top

We first fought the heathens in the name of religion, then Communism, and now in the name of drugs and terrorism. Our excuses for global domination always change.
Serj Tankian

IP Logged

tickleandrose

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 4201
Gender: female

Re: How is IS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #1 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:17pm

I have mentioned in earlier posts. The whole situation is upside down there. ISIL was formed primarily from anti Syrian forces and also tribes from Iraq. We have supported the Syrian opposition force, which are allied with ISIL. In effect, we are funding the ... entire conflict area. We are funding Syrian opposition forces that supports ISIL, at the same time, we are funding Iraqi and Iranian forces in against ISIL. On the other hand, we are supporting the Saudis who are finding against rebels backed by Iran, and the Saudis fund the Syrian opposition force who is supporting ISIL against Iraq who we support.

This is complete madness!

Back to top

IP Logged

perceptions_now

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 11694
Perth WA
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #2 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:23pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

It seems that in a recent battle the Iraqis and their allies ran out of ammunition while ISIS seemed well supplied.

Who is supplying weapons and munitions to ISIS? Where are the supplies coming from? Who is financing it and how are the transactions being made invisible to the international community?

It could only be 3 adjacent countries that are supplying weapons. Jordan, Turkey and Israel while the origin of the weapons is evidently Saudi Arabia.

It must be being done by air at night because road transport and day time flights are too vulnerable.

Quote:

Separately, Hussein al-Ramahi, who heads the political commission of the Iranian-backed Hezbollah brigades, disclosed that his forces have discovered Saudi-supplied arms and ammunition in areas taken back from ISIS control that have been dropped to ISIS fighters from unidentified aircraft.

“The Iraqi security and popular forces have discovered Saudi-supplied weapons in regions liberated from ISIS control,” Ramahi told FarNews Agency.

“We have discovered boxes containing weapons and equipment with Saudi names and labels on them,” he said.

The allegation of supplying weapons could not be confirmed.

However, it is consistent with a recent report by the London-based Conflict Armament Research Ltd., which did an analysis of weapons and ammunition captured from ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria late last year.

“M79 90 mm anti-tank rockets captured from ISIS forces in Syria are identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the ‘Free Syrian Army’ umbrella in 2013,” the CAR report said.

Saudi Arabia fingered as one of ISIS weapons suppliers

Well, the following map of the Sunni/Shia divide, could provide some indications -

As could the following Washington think tank article -
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis

The recent bombing of a Saudi Mosque by ISIS, could be seen as "biting the hand that feeds you"?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/23/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mosque-blast/
Then, the Mosque was Shia, not Sunni and ISIS & Saudi are both primarily Sunni!

But, you must also throw in the other BIG INFLUENCE, which is oil!

Finally, just to clarify things (NOT), there are a few things that MAY cause some confusion in some discussions?
1) Money
2) Politics
3) Religion

Back to top

IP Logged

Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41958 Gender:	Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions? Reply #3 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:24pm when isis started they captured some oil wells. The ongoing oil sales funds their war.
Back to top	Modern Classic Right Wing IP Logged

Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions? Reply #4 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:29pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:24pm: when isis started they captured some oil wells. The ongoing oil sales funds their war. There are only 3 places that oil can be going. Jordan, Israel and Turkey which implicates those countries in financing ISIS.
Back to top	We first fought the heathens in the name of religion, then Communism, and now in the name of drugs and terrorism. Our excuses for global domination always change. Serj Tankian IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20749
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #5 - May 27^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

when isis started they captured some oil wells.

The ongoing oil sales funds their war.

There are only 3 places that oil can be going. Jordan, Israel and Turkey which implicates those countries in financing ISIS.

Turkey is helping the Islamic state.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions? Reply #6 - May 27^th, 2015 at 2:23pm I thought they were just using the fifty thousand tons of armaments the yanks left behind, and then there is the other fifty thousand tons that saddam and assad left lying around. Will take a while to fire off that lot.
Back to top	IP Logged

Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90613 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions? Reply #7 - May 27^th, 2015 at 3:20pm From the Iraqi army - brand new, never fired and only dropped once....
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

innocentbystander.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 4723
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #8 - May 27^th, 2015 at 3:34pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

From the Iraqi army - brand new, never fired and only dropped once....

Yes, ever since they heard of aussie centrelink they have been wondering what in the f#ck is the point of fighting, now they are just employing a rear guard action for as long as it takes to get another Greens / ALP aussie government in power.

Back to top

IP Logged

Svengali

Gold Member

Offline

Please don't thank me

Posts: 3474
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #9 - May 27^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

innocentbystander. wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

From the Iraqi army - brand new, never fired and only dropped once....

Yes, ever since they heard of aussie centrelink they have been wondering what in the f#ck is the point of fighting, now they are just employing a rear guard action for as long as it takes to get another Greens / ALP aussie government in power.

You are obviously a specialist and extremely knowledgeable in rear-guard action. Please keep your weapon clean.

Back to top

We first fought the heathens in the name of religion, then Communism, and now in the name of drugs and terrorism. Our excuses for global domination always change.
Serj Tankian

IP Logged

issuevoter

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #10 - May 27^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

innocentbystander. wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

From the Iraqi army - brand new, never fired and only dropped once....

Yes, ever since they heard of aussie centrelink they have been wondering what in the f#ck is the point of fighting, now they are just employing a rear guard action for as long as it takes to get another Greens / ALP aussie government in power.

I doubt this is a fact, but it could pan out that way. I am willing to vote Green or ALP, but not before they get real.

As to the OP question, my guess is that IS gets its weaponry from anywhere and everywhere. This is not a conventional two state war with troops identifiable by tidy uniforms and front lines. The Islamic Caliphate consists bands of armed civilians with loose allegiances and unpredictable lines of supply.

One source is almost certainly the Wahabists in Saudi Arabia who would love to bring down the house of Saud. The Wahbs have the fanaticism, the money, and the access to sophisticated weapons through moles in the Saudi military.

Back to top

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #11 - May 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

my guess is they're primarily still surviving on captured weaponry/ammunition. Also they are getting a lot of defectors from Al Nusra and other rival islamists who bring their weapons/ammo with them.

They are also proving themselves to be good improvisors:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-states-gains-reveal-new-prowess-on-battlefie...

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20749
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #12 - May 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

my guess is they're primarily still surviving on captured weaponry/ammunition. Also they are getting a lot of defectors from Al Nusra and other rival islamists who bring their weapons/ammo with them.

They are also proving themselves to be good improvisors:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-states-gains-reveal-new-prowess-on-battlefie...

It says they are doing relentless suicide bombing,is that the improvising you mentioned your link doesn't say much more.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #13 - May 28^th, 2015 at 6:31am

The link mentions how they rigged captured Humvees and other vehicles to become bombs which the Iraqis claimed destroyed entire blocks. The Iraqi PM claimed it was these devastating explosions that destroyed the Iraqis will to fight.

Their operational prowess must be acknowledged - how did they transfer all those troops and weaponry for the assault across open desert - while all routes are no doubt closely monitored by US air surveillance?

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: How is ISIS getting weapons and munitions?
Reply #14 - May 28^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

It seems that in a recent battle the Iraqis and their allies ran out of ammunition while ISIS seemed well supplied.

Who is supplying weapons and munitions to ISIS? Where are the supplies coming from? Who is financing it and how are the transactions being made invisible to the international community?

It could only be 3 adjacent countries that are supplying weapons. Jordan, Turkey and Israel while the origin of the weapons is evidently Saudi Arabia.

It must be being done by air at night because road transport and day time flights are too vulnerable.

Quote:

Separately, Hussein al-Ramahi, who heads the political commission of the Iranian-backed Hezbollah brigades, disclosed that his forces have discovered Saudi-supplied arms and ammunition in areas taken back from ISIS control that have been dropped to ISIS fighters from unidentified aircraft.

“The Iraqi security and popular forces have discovered Saudi-supplied weapons in regions liberated from ISIS control,” Ramahi told FarNews Agency.

“We have discovered boxes containing weapons and equipment with Saudi names and labels on them,” he said.

The allegation of supplying weapons could not be confirmed.

However, it is consistent with a recent report by the London-based Conflict Armament Research Ltd., which did an analysis of weapons and ammunition captured from ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria late last year.

“M79 90 mm anti-tank rockets captured from ISIS forces in Syria are identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the ‘Free Syrian Army’ umbrella in 2013,” the CAR report said.

Saudi Arabia fingered as one of ISIS weapons suppliers

The umbilical chord of supply: could this be the end of ISIS now the discussion has started?

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged