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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #15 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

Another challenge China faces is logistics. More than 60% of China's water is in the southern part of the country, but most of the usage is in the north and coastlines.

As Debra Tan, Head of China Water Risk, a Hong Kong-based non-profit explains, "45% of China's GDP is derived from water-scarce provinces. It is not easy to grow your economy with limited water and geographical issues beyond your control."

Beijing and other northern cities get most of their water from underground aquifers. Over the last five decades, China has had to drill increasingly deeper to gain access to water.

According to research from author Lester Brown, key aquifers are declining by as much as 3 metres / 10 feet per year. This increases drilling expenses and energy usage and has also lead to an increase in arsenic poisoning.

An August, 2013 study published in the journal Science, found that as many as 20 million people in China may be affected by arsenic-contaminated groundwater. Testing for contaminated wells, however, is resource- and time-intensive given China's geographic size.

SCAPEGOAT ALERT (even after all the evidence to the contrary, they throw up climate change)

A study by Shourong Wang and Zuqiang Zhang concluded that climate change is compounding the problem. The authors found that China's average temperature rose by 1.1°C from 1908 to 2007. They expect that from 2000, the annual mean air temperature in China will rise by 1.3 to 2.1°C by 2020 and 2.3 to 3.3°C by 2050.

According to China Daily, Chen Lei, Minister of Water Resources, said, "global climate change could further exacerbate existing problems over water security, water supply and farming irrigation."

Another problem is that China's primary energy source is coal. Coal production is a water-intensive process and also has other ecological side effects, which further pollute China's water supply.

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #16 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

A study by the China's Ministry of Water Resources found that approximately 55% of China's 50,000 rivers that existed in the 1990s have ... disappeared.

According to Jiang Liping, senior irrigation specialist at the World Bank in Beijing, China is over-exploiting its groundwater by 22 billion cubic meters a year

Amazing figure!!! All put down to overuse…. Shocked

One might say they acknlowledged the problem a long time ago and implemented one child policy for good reason Shocked

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

glaciers are compacted snow

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #18 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

China's water efficiency is another problem. Industry in China continues to expand and compared to other countries, is highly inefficient. Liping said, "water use efficiency and water productivity in both industry and agriculture are very low."

Don’t the spazos on here keep telling us to look to China for great environmental practice?

Spazos….lol Grin

who said that?

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #19 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

glaciers are compacted snow

And snow fields are not glaciers

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #20 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Another challenge China faces is logistics. More than 60% of China's water is in the southern part of the country, but most of the usage is in the north and coastlines.

As Debra Tan, Head of China Water Risk, a Hong Kong-based non-profit explains, "45% of China's GDP is derived from water-scarce provinces. It is not easy to grow your economy with limited water and geographical issues beyond your control."

Beijing and other northern cities get most of their water from underground aquifers. Over the last five decades, China has had to drill increasingly deeper to gain access to water.

According to research from author Lester Brown, key aquifers are declining by as much as 3 metres / 10 feet per year. This increases drilling expenses and energy usage and has also lead to an increase in arsenic poisoning.

An August, 2013 study published in the journal Science, found that as many as 20 million people in China may be affected by arsenic-contaminated groundwater. Testing for contaminated wells, however, is resource- and time-intensive given China's geographic size.

SCAPEGOAT ALERT (even after all the evidence to the contrary, they throw up climate change)

A study by Shourong Wang and Zuqiang Zhang concluded that climate change is compounding the problem. The authors found that China's average temperature rose by 1.1°C from 1908 to 2007. They expect that from 2000, the annual mean air temperature in China will rise by 1.3 to 2.1°C by 2020 and 2.3 to 3.3°C by 2050.

According to China Daily, Chen Lei, Minister of Water Resources, said, "global climate change could further exacerbate existing problems over water security, water supply and farming irrigation."

Another problem is that China's primary energy source is coal. Coal production is a water-intensive process and also has other ecological side effects, which further pollute China's water supply.

I think you need to provide a link to those crazy temperature predictions for credibility purposes Roll Eyes

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #21 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

glaciers are compacted snow

And snow fields are not glaciers

so how do glaciers exist?

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #22 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #23 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #24 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

Gizmo again chooses to overlook the "melting rapidly" fact.

It appears that Gizmo believes that Global Warming and the eventual demise of glaciers is beneficial to mankind.

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #25 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:52pm

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

Gizmo again chooses to overlook the "melting rapidly" fact.

It appears that Gizmo believes that Global Warming and the eventual demise of glaciers is beneficial to mankind.

Are they, in fact, 'melting rapidly'??? Or is that just the opinion of the World Wildlife Fund?

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #26 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

Correct. i.e major flooding in Bangladesh.

And as the glaciers decrease in size due to humans cooking the climate, what happens next to flow from melting glacier water.?

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #27 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

Correct. i.e major flooding in Bangladesh.

And as the glaciers decrease in size due to humans cooking the climate, what happens next to flow from melting glacier water.?

The snow fall replenishes it, as has been happening for eons.

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Re: Will India ever rise from its dire economic state
Reply #29 - May 26^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Both China and India have a major challenge with water/food.
Human caused climate change shrinking the glaciers in the Himalayas that feed rivers in both countries.

Meanwhile the west are planning on hiding behind the Indians in a Indian/China war, be it a physical or cold.

Actually, you'll find that it's SNOW melt, not glacier melt that feeds the rivers in India, and possibly China as well.

The Tibetan Plateau covers an area of approximately 2,500,000 km2. The glaciers in the Himalayans and Karakoram ranges cover a total area of approximately 40,800km2 and are the sources of the major river systems of the Tibetan Plateau region. These glaciers supply water to almost 1.5 billion people in Asia; almost a quarter of the world’s population. Estimates indicate that approximately six to 45 per cent of flows in the major rivers are dependent on glacial melt; this increases to 70 per cent in summer.

Reports indicate that the glaciers in the Himalayas are melting rapidly. An increase in glacial melt could cause significant disruptions to the region’s future water security. The countries that depend most on water from the Tibetan Plateau are Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand and the countries of the Mekong sub-region, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crises/1709-climate-chan...

And if the glaciers are melting, it means those countries would receive more water, not less.

Also, if the glaciers are the water source for the rivers that supply the countries, doesn't that mean that the glaciers have been melting for thousands, if not millions of years?

Correct. i.e major flooding in Bangladesh.

And as the glaciers decrease in size due to humans cooking the climate, what happens next to flow from melting glacier water.?

The snow fall replenishes it, as has been happening for eons.

lol, now gizmo wants to talk about balance ... Roll Eyes

..he'll be pulling out unlabelled graphs next Cool

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