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Reply #75 - May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians.

Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond.

something not well understood by the weepy lefties. maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening.

People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors.

and that's the point. they ARENT occupied. they were offered their own state and refused. and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject.

all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis. pretty simple really.

It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel.

Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds.

So the entry and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature?

a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers.

idiot.

Since 2010 Israel killed Palestinian children at 68 times the number of Israeli children who die. 681 Palestinian children compared to 9 Israeli children.

If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop.

Israelis kill Palestinians for sport.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes."

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes."

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133 Israeli children and 2,060 Palestinian children
have been killed since September 29, 2000.

Hover over each bar for exact numbers.

Number of Children Killed Per YearIsraelisPalestinians20002001200220032004200520062007200820092010201120122013
20140150300450600Year
Year Israelis Palestinians
2000 0 91
2001 36 103
2002 45 201
2003 21 141
2004 8 188
2005 6 56
2006 2 139
2007 1 68
2008 4 160
2009 1 295
2010 0 15
2011 5 15
2012 0 44
2013 0 3
2014 4 541

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

No, if there was return to the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

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Reply #76 - May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

No, if there was return to the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

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Reply #77 - May 27^th, 2015 at 7:55pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

No, if there was return to the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

you are a twat and sound just like Hamas. these are the clowns that were actually offered a separate state BUT REFUSED. if they laid down their arms now and started behaving like humans and not vermin that hide behind women and children while firing, the conflict would cease overnight. but EVERY cease-fire is broken by Hamas who deliberately target civilians and particularly children.

you are just an anti-Semite. we don't except you to behave with honour or intelligence and you never disappoint in that regard.

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Reply #78 - May 27^th, 2015 at 8:04pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

No, if there was return to the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

No idiot, the Arabs would have better launch sites that would allow then to actually hit the Israeli cities and kill more Jews.

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Reply #79 - May 27^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

No, if there was return to the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

No idiot, the Arabs would have better launch sites that would allow then to actually hit the Israeli cities and kill more Jews.

You're behaving like a Hamas planner. Do you often hear voices in your head?

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Reply #80 - May 27^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Many in Israel and on the other side view it as a war of survival. The Palestinians have been forgotten and even attacked by their own Arabs.. it's a very tribal thing.

"The term Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود‎; aylūl al-aswad) refers to the Jordanian Civil War that began in September 1970 and ended in July of 1971. The conflict was fought between the two major components of the Jordanian population, the Palestinians, represented by the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) under the leadership of Yasser Arafat, and the native Jordanians, represented by the Jordanian Armed Forces under the leadership of King Hussein. At its core the civil war sought to determine if Jordan would be ruled by the Palestine Liberation Organisation or the Hashemite Monarchy. The war resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian. Armed conflict ended with the expulsion of the PLO leadership and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

Get A Life.....

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Reply #81 - May 28^th, 2015 at 12:41am

It is arguable that Israel Palestinian conflict was the genesis of all conflict in the Middle East due to Israel-USA axis acting to suppress all Arab governments that did not bend to their will.

In regard to Jordanians, they have always been in Israel's pocket because of their perpetual dire economic circumstances and addiction to American aid. Any actions Jordan took on the Arab side in conflicts were a sham, limited and measured so as to avoid serious offense to Israel.

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Reply #82 - May 28^th, 2015 at 1:07am

Svengali wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 12:41am:

It is arguable that Israel Palestinian conflict was the genesis of all conflict in the Middle East due to Israel-USA axis acting to suppress all Arab governments that did not bend to their will.

In regard to Jordanians, they have always been in Israel's pocket because of their perpetual dire economic circumstances and addiction to American aid. Any actions Jordan took on the Arab side in conflicts were a sham, limited and measured so as to avoid serious offense to Israel.

So - let me get this right.

The Pallies are stuck between the Jordanians (who've killed thousands of them) - fellow Arabs - and Israel and the rest of the world. No other Arab nation supports the Palestinians.

Some even attack them. Palestinian Arabs were forced to retreat to Lebanon to continue the struggle against the entire region.

How - in this amazing maze of amazing complex issues - is Israel the enemy when the greatest danger is from fellow Arabs with a different tribal group?

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Reply #84 - May 28^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 1:09am:

You need to get a grip on the sorts of realities that encompass local areas....

Whatever you see is intertwined with a complex of conflicting local interests.... all backed by the gun...

Grappler seems to cross between reality and fantasy at regular intervals. Very often Grappler's reality is extremely tenuous.

Don't lose your grip Grappler. There may be no bottom.

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