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Re: Opportunity emerges for Ozpolitic patriots
Reply #45 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:00pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm:
I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation


Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?


Did i mention a gender?


Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?


I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  Wink Wink



They are leaving OZ in support are they not? Wink Wink

How many?

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Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.
You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       


What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??
So when the German army rounded up jews to be sent to extermination camps that was OK because they were part of the "legitimate" German army.  What a croc of sh!t!!! Clearly you don't care about atrocities you only care about atrocities committed against you or your mates. Those young b@st2rds who go to israel to brutalize the citizen population in Gaza are every bit as criminal as the people who go and fight for IS and should be gaoled to do a lengthy prison term when they return to Australia. I said it before. If anyone is responsible for radicalizing the muslim youth of this country its hypocrisy like yours.
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Reply #46 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:01pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm:
I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation


Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?


Did i mention a gender?


Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?


I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  Wink Wink



They are leaving OZ in support are they not? Wink Wink

How many?

Shocked Shocked Shocked
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.
You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       


What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??


Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.


Gizmo must have misread it's KKK newsletter. My name is not Netanyahu the Butcher of Palestine.
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Re: Opportunity emerges for Ozpolitic patriots
Reply #47 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????
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Reply #48 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.

There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)
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Reply #49 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:18pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.

There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.


I dunno about sanctioning atrocities, I saw you saying killing is killing, then claiming a false equivalency. 
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Reply #50 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm:
I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation


Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?


Did i mention a gender?


Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?


I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  Wink Wink



They are leaving OZ in support are they not? Wink Wink

How many?

Shocked Shocked Shocked
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.
You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       


What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??


Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.
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Reply #51 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm:
I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation


Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?


Did i mention a gender?


Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?


I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  Wink Wink



They are leaving OZ in support are they not? Wink Wink

How many?

Shocked Shocked Shocked
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.
You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       


What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??


Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.


I'd actually say combatant..
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Reply #52 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.
OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel. 


There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled
[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color]

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.    



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Reply #53 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.
OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel. 


There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled
[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color]

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.    





Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS"

I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.

As for the 'civilian casualties' reports...If the wounded or dead arrived at the hospital without a weapon in their hands, they got classified  civilian, regardless of how many Israeli soldiers they had fired at, before being hit.
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Reply #54 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm
 
Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians.
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Reply #55 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.
OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel. 


There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled
[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color]

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.    





Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS"

I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.
OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities
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Reply #56 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm
 
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians.


Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond.
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Reply #57 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:59pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.
OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel. 


There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled
[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color]

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.    





Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS"

I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.
OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities


Mainly because military defense or counter-attacks do not qualify as atrocities.
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Re: Opportunity emerges for Ozpolitic patriots
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I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation


Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?


Did i mention a gender?


Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?


I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  Wink Wink



They are leaving OZ in support are they not? Wink Wink

How many?

Shocked Shocked Shocked
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.
You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       


What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??


Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.
Since you seem to know, tell us, how many of the  3,374 children killed or maimed in Gaza were shooting at the Israeli soldiers.  No let me guess you read the German army Israeli army official report and they found that all the children were shooting at the Israeli army at the time including those shooting at tanks from the cover of their cribs. 
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gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:59pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.


I see you've renewed your KKK membership.
So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????


No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.
OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel. 


There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled
[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color]

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.    





Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS"

I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.
OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities


Mainly because military defense or counter-attacks do not qualify as atrocities.
So whenever ISIS are engaged in military defense or counter-attacks they are not committing atrocities because they're doing it for the sake of winning their war.    
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