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Reply #45 - May 25th, 2015 at 6:49pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Here Soren, get yourself an education:

"If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexis...


I strongly suggest you read the entire article. It's very illuminating.

The less Islam, the more equality for women in Muslim majority countries.

It is really that simple.  Islam is bad for women. Religions generally are, as they are men's domains, but Islam stands out because it has codified women's inferiority.






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Reply #46 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:20pm
 
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Here Soren, get yourself an education:

"If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexis...


I strongly suggest you read the entire article. It's very illuminating.

The less Islam, the more equality for women in Muslim majority countries.

It is really that simple.  Islam is bad for women. Religions generally are, as they are men's domains, but Islam stands out because it has codified women's inferiority.






Didn't read it, did you?

Guys with bones through their noses are worse than Islam.

Great. Islam must be OK then.



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Reply #47 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
rhino wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:14am:
you see, I said none of this and none was implied. Its my country Brian, and my culture. I really have little issue with migrants as long as they understand this and adapt to my culture, just as I would and have done when travelling to their countries. The fact that they expect us to adapt to their culture says a lot about their cultural mindset. You are trying to make me out to be a blind racist, Im not. I have done a lot of travelling, including Muslim countries and found the people there to be hospitable although mysogynistic But I adapted to their culture and I was accepted. Thats the difference.


Rhino, it is also my culture and Mothra's culture and Gandalf's culture and Karnal's culture and dare I even suggest Soren's culture.   The composite of what we believe is our national multiculture.   Australian culture has prided itself on it's friendliness and its welcoming attitude towards new immigrants.   Muslims are those new immigrants and there is obviously a need for some degree of assimilation between both the dominant culture and the new, incoming migrant cultures, which is why we have Multiculturalism.   It states that we will tolerate each other's culture, as long as it is practised within the law as she is currently writ.   Most migrants are willing to accept that.  Most Australians are willing to accept it as well.

Rhino, Australia is a democracy and we keep electing successive governments which have Multicultural policies.  The last time someone who didn't like Multiculturalism tried to storm the parliament and take control of the place was shown the door by the voters, in 1998 and her name was Pauline Hanson.   Perhaps you need to understand the ramifications of that a little better?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #48 - May 25th, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Here Soren, get yourself an education:

"If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexis...


I strongly suggest you read the entire article. It's very illuminating.

The less Islam, the more equality for women in Muslim majority countries.

It is really that simple.  Islam is bad for women. Religions generally are, as they are men's domains, but Islam stands out because it has codified women's inferiority.






Didn't read it, did you?

Guys with bones through their noses are worse than Islam.

Great. Islam must be OK then.







Well you may have read it ... but you certainly didn't understand it.
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Reply #49 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Where is the Muslim 'leader' saying the same about the Koran and Mohammed?



Is there a Muslim leader Soren?  Who are they?  Where are they?   Point them out, I have a few bones to pick with an identified leader of the Islamic faith!  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Who the f Vck is paying all those imams, ayatollas and muftis and for what?

What the hell are they doing to draw a salary?

They make a living out of being 'leaders' and make pronouncements every Friday about what it is to be a Mohammedan. Who is tolerating them , who is recognising them as 'leaders'?

Er.... Muslims.


You can start with the Grand Mufti of Oz (yes, they have such a guy, unbelievably) Ibrahim Abu Mohamed.

He doesn't speak English though (nor did the previous Grand Mufti).  It's beneath them, you see, to spend a lifetime in Australia and to learn the lingo.





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Reply #50 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:37pm
 
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Here Soren, get yourself an education:

"If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexis...


I strongly suggest you read the entire article. It's very illuminating.

The less Islam, the more equality for women in Muslim majority countries.

It is really that simple.  Islam is bad for women. Religions generally are, as they are men's domains, but Islam stands out because it has codified women's inferiority.






Didn't read it, did you?

Guys with bones through their noses are worse than Islam.

Great. Islam must be OK then.







Well you may have read it ... but you certainly didn't understand it.



Oh, I love a person (especially a girl)  with superior intellect.

Alas you ain't it, nor is Max Fisher  (well-known tendentious git). You need to be articulate, petal, to be taken seriously. Posting other gits' fumings is not a sign of intelligence, Not even for girl gits.

Revise and resubmit.







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Reply #51 - May 26th, 2015 at 9:06pm
 
Your misogyny is showing, Soren.  Don't you criticise Islam and Muslims for their misogyny?  Are you secretly a Muslim, Soren?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - May 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm
 
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:37pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
mothra wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Here Soren, get yourself an education:

"If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexis...


I strongly suggest you read the entire article. It's very illuminating.

The less Islam, the more equality for women in Muslim majority countries.

It is really that simple.  Islam is bad for women. Religions generally are, as they are men's domains, but Islam stands out because it has codified women's inferiority.






Didn't read it, did you?

Guys with bones through their noses are worse than Islam.

Great. Islam must be OK then.







Well you may have read it ... but you certainly didn't understand it.



Oh, I love a person (especially a girl)  with superior intellect.

Alas you ain't it, nor is Max Fisher  (well-known tendentious git). You need to be articulate, petal, to be taken seriously. Posting other gits' fumings is not a sign of intelligence, Not even for girl gits.

Revise and resubmit.










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Reply #53 - May 27th, 2015 at 7:23pm
 
this is the face of Islamic extremism.

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.....“All I know is that I want to fight fisabillah (for the sake of Allah). Who knows how long this fitna (a division between brothers that leads to fighting) will last? Will I miss my chance? I don’t want to fight for war booty or for nationalism. I want to just rise the laws of Allah and be a shaheed in his cause. I don’t want to be fighting with the wrong group, and so far all I see is ISIS fighting for Khilafah (the Muslim state),” he said in a Facebook message..........,



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/asher-abid-khan-who-lived-in-sydney-arr...

with that in mind, ban islam
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Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Where is the Muslim 'leader' saying the same about the Koran and Mohammed?



Is there a Muslim leader Soren?  Who are they?  Where are they?   Point them out, I have a few bones to pick with an identified leader of the Islamic faith!  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Who the f Vck is paying all those imams, ayatollas and muftis and for what?


Most are unpaid Soren.  Most do it because it is what they believe.  Funny that, people motivated by religion, hey?

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What the hell are they doing to draw a salary?

They make a living out of being 'leaders' and make pronouncements every Friday about what it is to be a Mohammedan. Who is tolerating them , who is recognising them as 'leaders'?

Er.... Muslims.


Some Muslims Soren.  Just as some Christians recognise their priests/pastors/bishops/arche-bishops/cardinals/popes and some don't.  Funny that, isn't it?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy

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You can start with the Grand Mufti of Oz (yes, they have such a guy, unbelievably) Ibrahim Abu Mohamed.

He doesn't speak English though (nor did the previous Grand Mufti).  It's beneath them, you see, to spend a lifetime in Australia and to learn the lingo.


Ibrahim Abu Mohamed only moved to Australia in 1997.  Hardly a "lifetime".   Like his predecessor, he was born in Egypt.  I don't doubt he, like his predecessor speaks some English but not sufficient to argue theology or make public statements.  I also don't doubt its sometimes convenient not to speak English to the media.  Lucky Ibrahim Abu Mohamed!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #56 - May 28th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Where is the Muslim 'leader' saying the same about the Koran and Mohammed?



Is there a Muslim leader Soren?  Who are they?  Where are they?   Point them out, I have a few bones to pick with an identified leader of the Islamic faith!  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Who the f Vck is paying all those imams, ayatollas and muftis and for what?


Most are unpaid Soren. 



You mean they are on welfare.

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Reply #57 - May 28th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
He doesn't speak English though (nor did the previous Grand Mufti).  It's beneath them, you see, to spend a lifetime in Australia and to learn the lingo.


Ibrahim Abu Mohamed only moved to Australia in 1997.  Hardly a "lifetime".   Like his predecessor, he was born in Egypt.  I don't doubt he, like his predecessor speaks some English but not sufficient to argue theology or make public statements.  I also don't doubt its sometimes convenient not to speak English to the media.  Lucky Ibrahim Abu Mohamed!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


What the f Vck is he doing as the grand Mufty of AUSTRALIA (not of Egypt) if he can't speak the language of Australia????


If 17+ year are not enough to master the language then he must have HUGE learning difficulties and must be mentally deficient - or he is a disdainful; old fool who can't be fagged to bother with learning a kuffar language, especially the Great Satan's and the Little Satan's.


There is howling about discrimination against Muslims. But what doe it say about Islam and Muslims in Australia if their own bloody leader can't be bothered or is incapable of learning English in 17+ years???



A small but very, very telling disgrace.

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Reply #58 - May 28th, 2015 at 7:33pm
 
Soren wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 6:33pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Where is the Muslim 'leader' saying the same about the Koran and Mohammed?



Is there a Muslim leader Soren?  Who are they?  Where are they?   Point them out, I have a few bones to pick with an identified leader of the Islamic faith!  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Who the f Vck is paying all those imams, ayatollas and muftis and for what?


Most are unpaid Soren. 


You mean they are on welfare.


You have evidence to substantiate that claim, Soren?  That most Muslim leaders are recipients of welfare in Australia?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - May 28th, 2015 at 7:37pm
 
Soren wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
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Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
He doesn't speak English though (nor did the previous Grand Mufti).  It's beneath them, you see, to spend a lifetime in Australia and to learn the lingo.


Ibrahim Abu Mohamed only moved to Australia in 1997.  Hardly a "lifetime".   Like his predecessor, he was born in Egypt.  I don't doubt he, like his predecessor speaks some English but not sufficient to argue theology or make public statements.  I also don't doubt its sometimes convenient not to speak English to the media.  Lucky Ibrahim Abu Mohamed!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


What the f Vck is he doing as the grand Mufty of AUSTRALIA (not of Egypt) if he can't speak the language of Australia????


If 17+ year are not enough to master the language then he must have HUGE learning difficulties and must be mentally deficient - or he is a disdainful; old fool who can't be fagged to bother with learning a kuffar language, especially the Great Satan's and the Little Satan's.


There is howling about discrimination against Muslims. But what doe it say about Islam and Muslims in Australia if their own bloody leader can't be bothered or is incapable of learning English in 17+ years???

A small but very, very telling disgrace.


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A much more important question, one everyone I speak to in preparing for this interview advises me to ask, concerns his poor command of English. How can he cope with the media, mainstream Australia and the diverse Muslim communities here if he has to do it through an interpreter?

This is something he has been asked a lot, he replies through his interpreter, Nasser Kat, saying he understands the importance of good English. ''I promise that, given time, I will solve this problem. I can understand 80 per cent of what is said and can reply, but I don't feel that if I speak in English I will have the same speed, depth and richness that I speak in Arabic.''

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So, he can speak English, just not very well, Soren.   A five second Google of the man's name plus the word "english" gave me that.   Do you make any effort to support your arguments or do you assume your Islamophobia supplies all answers, Soren?

How good was your English before you migrated to Australia?   Roll Eyes
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