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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #30 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm

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Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

how many times has he been jailed for the same type of crime.. little boys.... Angry

I just want them to throw away the key...

to me he has blown his chances. more than once.. they even had a young man who he touched and almost killled when he was 7.. and the young man is still a wreck.. do you think he wants this guy treated with kid gloves... so he can get time off for good behavior..???

because thats what most of them go through the process for... Angry

The trouble is with a lot of judges hearing these child abuse cases they are sitting their listening with a boner under their robes.

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Reply #31 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

It is one of the (well, it used to be) essential elements in considering sentence and particularly parole.

What is the point of keeping a person in prison (at considerable expense) if they have effectively been punished, if there has been sufficient deterrent, and if they have been rehabilitated?

Prison is not a place where you lock 'em up, feed 'em and forget about 'em. We do have an obligation as a civilised society using the Westminster System and the Rule of Law, even to our convicts. Even the original Australian British convicts enjoyed a system of benefit for better, reformed conduct and willingness to live by decent standards ~ rehabilitation.

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #32 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm

innocentbystander. wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm:

cods wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

how many times has he been jailed for the same type of crime.. little boys.... Angry

I just want them to throw away the key...

to me he has blown his chances. more than once.. they even had a young man who he touched and almost killled when he was 7.. and the young man is still a wreck.. do you think he wants this guy treated with kid gloves... so he can get time off for good behavior..???

because thats what most of them go through the process for... Angry

The trouble is with a lot of judges hearing these child abuse cases they are sitting their listening with a boner under their robes.

the trouble is.. they are not allowed to hear the past crimes of these criminals....its all as if this is a first and only...

our laws are all in favor of the criminal..these days...look at the way domestic violence is not reported and rape.. because the villains are shielded...and the person in the dock is the victim...

her past.. usually a female.. is thrown out there for all to hear about.

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #33 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

It is one of the (well, it used to be) essential elements in considering sentence and particularly parole.

What is the point of keeping a person in prison (at considerable expense) if they have effectively been punished, if there has been sufficient deterrent, and if they have been rehabilitated?

Prison is not a place where you lock 'em up, feed 'em and forget about 'em. We do have an obligation as a civilised society using the Westminster System and the Rule of Law, even to our convicts. Even the original Australian British convicts enjoyed a system of benefit for better, reformed conduct and willingness to live by decent standards ~ rehabilitation.

so how many paedophiles have you known... to not re offend after all the money that is heaped on them in jail????????????...

lets be honest its a soft approach to make us the public believe something can be done to stop these people re-offending...hahahahahahaha.. ask for the stats on re-offenders what chances of them returning ... after they have committed another crime against someone who didnt deserve..it..??? its pretty high I believe...

was Cowan ever in jail for paedophilla btw????>.

I wonder how many courses he did. in rehab... Angry

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #34 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm

cods wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

It is one of the (well, it used to be) essential elements in considering sentence and particularly parole.

What is the point of keeping a person in prison (at considerable expense) if they have effectively been punished, if there has been sufficient deterrent, and if they have been rehabilitated?

Prison is not a place where you lock 'em up, feed 'em and forget about 'em. We do have an obligation as a civilised society using the Westminster System and the Rule of Law, even to our convicts. Even the original Australian British convicts enjoyed a system of benefit for better, reformed conduct and willingness to live by decent standards ~ rehabilitation.

so how many paedophiles have you known... to not re offend after all the money that is heaped on them in jail????????????...

lets be honest its a soft approach to make us the public believe something can be done to stop these people re-offending...hahahahahahaha.. ask for the stats on re-offenders what chances of them returning ... after they have committed another crime against someone who didnt deserve..it..??? its pretty high I believe...

was Cowan ever in jail for paedophilla btw????>.

I wonder how many courses he did. in rehab... Angry

You are asking the wrong bloke, cods. I am not in the least bit interested in Cowan, the individual. What I am interested in is the Law, and having that supported. There are basic foundations, principles and processes ~ and if right wing nut jobs get to successfully chip away at them, you will end up with zero rights. You will be at the mercy of tyranny.

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #35 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:12pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

What the hell are you on about now?

Remember...we are specifically talking about THIS particular longstanding perpetrator.

The concept of rehabilitation................you have heard of it, yeas?

Again ...we are specifically talking about THIS particular longstanding perpetrator.

Now....make your point regarding rehab.

Go on...off you go.

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #36 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Rider wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Next stop should be Bali... bang bang

not if aussie has his way....he likes this guy.

Dunno anything about him, but I do like that he has legal rights, and I do not mind in the least that he is exercising them.

Do you mind, cods?

yeah I do..

the dirty **** is using my taxes although he admitted to the crime...

anyone giving this maggot support is just as bad as far as im concerned..

I'd shoot this bastard before I'd shoot any of the bali 9 ...by a long shot..

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Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal.
Reply #37 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

It is one of the (well, it used to be) essential elements in considering sentence and particularly parole.

What is the point of keeping a person in prison (at considerable expense) if they have effectively been punished, if there has been sufficient deterrent, and if they have been rehabilitated?

Prison is not a place where you lock 'em up, feed 'em and forget about 'em. We do have an obligation as a civilised society using the Westminster System and the Rule of Law, even to our convicts. Even the original Australian British convicts enjoyed a system of benefit for better, reformed conduct and willingness to live by decent standards ~ rehabilitation.

Again I ask...make your point in relation to THIS LONGSTANDING PERPETRATOR AND MURDERER.

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Reply #38 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

cods wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

It is one of the (well, it used to be) essential elements in considering sentence and particularly parole.

What is the point of keeping a person in prison (at considerable expense) if they have effectively been punished, if there has been sufficient deterrent, and if they have been rehabilitated?

Prison is not a place where you lock 'em up, feed 'em and forget about 'em. We do have an obligation as a civilised society using the Westminster System and the Rule of Law, even to our convicts. Even the original Australian British convicts enjoyed a system of benefit for better, reformed conduct and willingness to live by decent standards ~ rehabilitation.

so how many paedophiles have you known... to not re offend after all the money that is heaped on them in jail????????????...

lets be honest its a soft approach to make us the public believe something can be done to stop these people re-offending...hahahahahahaha.. ask for the stats on re-offenders what chances of them returning ... after they have committed another crime against someone who didnt deserve..it..??? its pretty high I believe...

was Cowan ever in jail for paedophilla btw????>.

I wonder how many courses he did. in rehab... Angry

You are asking the wrong bloke, cods. I am not in the least bit interested in Cowan, the individual. What I am interested in is the Law, and having that supported. There are basic foundations, principles and processes ~ and if right wing nut jobs get to successfully chip away at them, you will end up with zero rights. You will be at the mercy of tyranny.

This discussion has SFA to do with right wing nutjobs or boltjobs for that matter.

What worries me more than anything else is that you don't understand the basic criminal legal process.

Aussie, you were never a lawyer.

I'm really disgusted with you.

Why? You're a fraud.

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Reply #39 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:35pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Rider wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Next stop should be Bali... bang bang

not if aussie has his way....he likes this guy.

Dunno anything about him, but I do like that he has legal rights, and I do not mind in the least that he is exercising them.

Do you mind, cods?

yeah I do..

the dirty **** is using my taxes although he admitted to the crime...

anyone giving this maggot support is just as bad as far as im concerned..

I'd shoot this bastard before I'd shoot any of the bali 9 ...by a long shot..

That is exactly the point of this entire effort. It is fundamental to our system that a non voluntary or induced 'confession' may not be received into evidence. Pretty obvious isn't it? If you 'confess' under torture, what value does the 'confession' have?

Or....if you 'confess' on the basis ...... to 'dumb it down' .... on the basis of an inducement from a person in a position to apparently influence your future, that also contaminates any 'confession' made as a result of the inducement.

Simple example.....

Cop: You confess to this one, and I'll forget about all the rest we reckon we can nail you on.

Dickhead: Okay, I done this one.

This Cowan case is complex and involves many legal nuances which go directly to the admissibility of the very confession you refer to. It will assist in the settling of Law if this matter is taken to the High Court.

Although I doubt you will immediately appreciate why, it is in the public interest that these questions (including the Canadian sting 'Mr Big' stuff....now rejected in Canada) are answered by the highest Court in Australia. Hence, it is acceptable that your tax dollars support public interest.

Cowan/Morcombe just happen to be the bit players in a much larger and socially vital legal 'game.'

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Reply #40 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm

For Christ's sake...the fool confessed to an undercover cop and then led said cop to where the body of the child was .....in deep bushland area where he further fessed to chopping the child's body up so as to get rid of it easier in nearby water.

It was after this confession that police then searched the area which this piece of filth identified to them only to find a few bones belonging to Daniel.

My God, Aussie....seriously get your hand off it...and stop googling.

It's making you look desperate AND stupid.

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Reply #41 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 6:51pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

You are asking the wrong bloke, cods. I am not in the least bit interested in Cowan, the individual. What I am interested in is the Law, and having that supported. There are basic foundations, principles and processes ~ and if right wing nut jobs get to successfully chip away at them, you will end up with zero rights. You will be at the mercy of tyranny.

as per usual you are strtching and weaving like you always do..

YOU DID SUPPORT this guy....who shouted the loudest with regards to his arrest...

who shouted the loudest when Justice Carmody was going to hear the appeal..

my god the man had had the audacity to send emails to BRAVEHEART..... yep that would really twist his verdict...judges lead such sheltered lives after all..

who has said over and over how the Morecombs suck...how they live off their sons murder....they use it to support their lifestyle..??

ok now say you didnt.. Mr innocent...

deny deny deny you do it all the time.. you are misunderstood all the time...

now its all about the rights of everyone....hahahaha..

everyone accept you accepts this rehab you are so much infavor of is just a GET OUT OF JAIL EARLY con...

if you wanted to change why the need for rehab... why not just get up and do it...for gods sake.

this a.hole had many chances to fix himself... he didnt want too...he took the life of a little boy whom he even tried to blaim for him killing him.. hes dirt hes a mongrel...

some LAWS are wrong....some dont WORK....

you have obviously lived a perfect life.. never been conned or robbed or bashed all your loved ones blessed as well..lets hope it stays that way...and you never have to face what the Morecombs have to face every time this bastards face is in the paper.

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Reply #42 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm

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as per usual you are strtching and weaving like you always do..

YOU DID SUPPORT this guy....who shouted the loudest with regards to his arrest...

I have never supported Cowan. I am aware of the legal nuances relevant to the matter, and there is where my interest begins and ends.

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who shouted the loudest when Justice Carmody was going to hear the appeal..

Not me by a long shot. His fellow Supreme Court Judges both past and present had the courage to lead that charge.

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my god the man had had the audacity to send emails to BRAVEHEART..... yep that would really twist his verdict...judges lead such sheltered lives after all..

Not only emails....a personal meeting in his Chambers. Next time you are in Brisbane, cods, see how you go getting to manage that. In fact, Judges are often criticised on the false basis that they live in ivory towers. They don't. But, they do live a privileged life and rarely, if ever, get down and dirty with the rest of us plebs. They tend to live among their 'peers.' That does not mean they are ignorant of how life really is ~ because they are confronted with it every day they go to work. Just like Cabbies.....quite often they are interacting with the real grubs of suburbia.

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who has said over and over how the Morecombs suck...how they live off their sons murder....they use it to support their lifestyle..??

ok now say you didnt.. Mr innocent...

No way will I claim innocence of that. That they pay their bills as a direct outcome of the death of their son is indisputable fact. They have milked it as much as they can and they have been quite successful. But.....if you lived up here and get as annoyed the majority are on the Sunshine Coast with Mr and Mrs Morcombe (still......more than ten years after their son was killed) happily sticking their faces in front of cameras for dollars, you too would be as critical as I am, and as many are up here.

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deny deny deny you do it all the time.. you are misunderstood all the time...

I doubt you will find any post made by me claiming I am misunderstood. There are idiots who have no idea, who make stupid ignorant look at me comments, and almost invariably, I will ignore them as repeat offenders.

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now its all about the rights of everyone....hahahaha..

Indeed, it is. That is the point.

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everyone accept you accepts this rehab you are so much infavor of is just a GET OUT OF JAIL EARLY con...

if you wanted to change why the need for rehab... why not just get up and do it...for gods sake.

I cannot follow that. Perhaps you could make that clearer?

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this a.hole had many chances to fix himself... he didnt want too...he took the life of a little boy whom he even tried to blaim for him killing him.. hes dirt hes a mongrel...

How many times must I say that I am not in the least bit interested in Cowan?

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some LAWS are wrong....some dont WORK....[/quote[

And that is exactly why the High Court ought be given the opportunity to sort these legal nuances, as they develop with different factual situations, out.

[quote]you have obviously lived a perfect life.. never been conned or robbed or bashed all your loved ones blessed as well..lets hope it stays that way...and you never have to face what the Morecombs have to face every time this bastards face is in the paper.

What you clearly do not accept is that the Morcombes go out of their way (even now....at every opportunity) to be confronted by his face......and be photographed and made news items while they do so.

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