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Reply #15 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Isn't this convicted Pedophile/Murderer getting Legal Aid? Meaning us Taxpayers are being charged for this?

I disagree with Capital Punishment but think that this bloke should be put into a Cell with the meanest, most cruelest of crims and have his eyes punched out ...

Did you "defend" criminals at Taxpayer's expense when you were a lawyer, Aussie?

That would possibly explain why you think Criminals need nurturing. Defence Lawyers tell lies to get the crim off, Prosecutors tell the truth to get them convicted.

It was rare indeed for anyone charged with an indictable offence not to be legally aided. In my day, the funding came from a mob called The Public Defender (Dan Hempenstall) and later from the Legal Aid Office (John Hodgins.)

The answer is...yes, almost all the time.

As I thought.

DUI
Traffic violations
Domestic disturbances

No wonder you only relate to Queensland Laws. I recall you not understanding what a DECREE NISI was in a discussion you had with Black Orchid.

Legal Aid was never available to defend those things. Those charged with that crap had to pay from their own pocket.

Your recollection about Decree Nisi/Absolute issues will be wrong, as usual.

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Reply #16 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:11pm

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Isn't this convicted Pedophile/Murderer getting Legal Aid? Meaning us Taxpayers are being charged for this?

I disagree with Capital Punishment but think that this bloke should be put into a Cell with the meanest, most cruelest of crims and have his eyes punched out ...

So you don't agree with Capital Punishment because it's too cruel?

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Reply #17 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:53pm

My question is this:

Is his guilt irrefutable?

If that is the case, then he deserves no appeal. So stop wasting our money.

If he is undeniably guilty of the charges, not only has he forfeited his right to appeal, he has also forfeited his right to exist. We already have enough monsters loose in society.

The mere cost and risk of allowing him to serve out a life sentence would argue for the death penalty. Not to mention that it could be considered a more humane option than spending the rest of his life in an isolation cage.

Capital punishment, in my view, should be considered along the same guidelines as euthanasia - there should be NO doubt.

DNA evidence is a marvelous thing. Why aren't we all now sampled at birth? It's a 'yea' or 'nay' thing in Court.

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58am

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Alinta wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

For anyone interested in the Court transcript of today's decision......

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/qld/QCA/2015/87.html

I read that transcript earlier, amongst other facts about this case and about the perpetrator's past offences and subsequent short term jail sentences which enabled this psychopath to get out and commit further and much more serious offences.

Some good reading material for you there Aussie. Enjoy!

Gee, thanks Lisa. It's not as though that is not linked in my Opening Post, at all.

Just to clarify.....I added the link to show the appeal was against conviction AND sentence........there seemed to be some misconception here that it was only against sentence.

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Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 8:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Isn't this convicted Pedophile/Murderer getting Legal Aid? Meaning us Taxpayers are being charged for this?

I disagree with Capital Punishment but think that this bloke should be put into a Cell with the meanest, most cruelest of crims and have his eyes punched out ...

So you don't agree with Capital Punishment because it's too cruel?

That's not what I said. Read it again. Roll Eyes

I was suggesting that one of his fellow criminals punches his eyes out and since the crim is already in gaol, I doubt he would face court for the "manslaughter". Problem solved. Cool

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Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 10:40am

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:53pm:

My question is this:

Is his guilt irrefutable?

If that is the case, then he deserves no appeal. So stop wasting our money.

If he is undeniably guilty of the charges, not only has he forfeited his right to appeal, he has also forfeited his right to exist. We already have enough monsters loose in society.

The mere cost and risk of allowing him to serve out a life sentence would argue for the death penalty. Not to mention that it could be considered a more humane option than spending the rest of his life in an isolation cage.

Capital punishment, in my view, should be considered along the same guidelines as euthanasia - there should be NO doubt.

DNA evidence is a marvelous thing. Why aren't we all now sampled at birth? It's a 'yea' or 'nay' thing in Court.

Great post!

In this case, this animal is undeniably guilty.

That's not at issue.

It's the time frame that's the real problem for this bastard. He feels it's unfair that he has been given a non parole period of 20yrs.

If I had been the judge I would have reminded this vile piece of filth that thanks to him...his victim got the death sentence and his victim's family each got a life term sentence.

Seriously, given his serious past offences as well as the hell he put everyone through this dragged out murder investigation and court process...he has more than earned the "Never To Be Released" stamp on his file.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Cowan/Morcombe Appeal. Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:10pm Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am: Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage? What the hell are you on about now? Remember...we are specifically talking about THIS particular longstanding perpetrator.
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Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 2:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

What the hell are you on about now?

Remember...we are specifically talking about THIS particular longstanding perpetrator.

The concept of rehabilitation................you have heard of it, yeas?

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Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 2:57pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Is his guilt irrefutable?

who decides that? the courtroom? and how many times have the courts found the evidence overwhelming only to have the finding overturned on appeal?

Our rights as individuals are what make our system so great .... sure, no one likes it when scum like this joker get the same rights, but removing those rights will eventually destroy our system.

I'd prefer that he be given every chance to prove he wasn't the culprit, and if at the end of every opportunity he was still found guilty, we then execute him.

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Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

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Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

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Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Rider wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

No. The sentence is reflective of the time it will take before this scum is rehabilitated. Decision made. Now run along and find somewhere else to stick your snout into.

I cannot fathom why your much touted high flying legal brain cannot work it out?

(I do not 'tout' my back ground. Others delight in doing that for me.)

Perhaps you can explain where the concept of rehabilitation may be found where someone is marked as 'never to be released?'

Who said we had an obligation to rehabilitate?

Prison is punishment, not a self help drop in Centre.

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Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soooo.....the concept of rehabilitation is just make believe garbage?

how many times has he been jailed for the same type of crime.. little boys.... Angry

I just want them to throw away the key...

to me he has blown his chances. more than once.. they even had a young man who he touched and almost killled when he was 7.. and the young man is still a wreck.. do you think he wants this guy treated with kid gloves... so he can get time off for good behavior..???

because thats what most of them go through the process for... Angry

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