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Reply #75 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:30pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:04pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:19pm:

Heres what ABC fact check states

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Scott Morrison correct on 'illegal entry' of people without a visa

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372

you missed this bit on that link

Experts contacted by ABC Fact Check say it is not appropriate to use "illegal" when specifically describing asylum seekers or refugees.

Professor Jane McAdam, director of the International Refugee and Migration Law Project at the University of New South Wales, says that "asylum seekers are not illegal under international law".

"By ratifying the Refugee Convention, governments agree precisely not to treat asylum seekers as illegal," Professor McAdam said.

Professor Andreas Schloenhardt, from the University of Queensland law school took a similar view, saying "the terms 'asylum seeker' and 'illegal' should not be used together or in the same sentence".

a refugee advocate saying it is " not appropriate" doesnt negate the facts John. Good try though. Better than Ozzys . At least you had something. And you arent even a lawyer. How about that.

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Reply #76 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:32pm

Illegal means specifically proscribed by law, unlawful means not authorised by law.

Both can be punishable by law.

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935...

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Re: They stopped the boats???
Reply #77 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:33pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Grendel wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Good grief.... no visa you are illegal... that is clear and certain.

the only thing certain is your level of stupidity ... an asylum seeker entering Australia without a visa is UNLAWFUL, not illegal

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Fair enough. whats the difference John? I mean the entire legal fraternity in Australia says they are illegal, what do you know that they dont?

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Reply #78 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:36pm

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Illegal means specifically proscribed by law, unlawful means not authorised by law.

Both can be punishable by law.

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935...

Yes. why is anyone even arguing this? Ozzys just made himself out to be a right wally, now Johns doing the same. why do these people argue black is white? Its beyond me Undecided

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Reply #79 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:37pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:30pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:04pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:19pm:

Heres what ABC fact check states

Quote:

Scott Morrison correct on 'illegal entry' of people without a visa

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372

you missed this bit on that link

Experts contacted by ABC Fact Check say it is not appropriate to use "illegal" when specifically describing asylum seekers or refugees.

Professor Jane McAdam, director of the International Refugee and Migration Law Project at the University of New South Wales, says that "asylum seekers are not illegal under international law".

"By ratifying the Refugee Convention, governments agree precisely not to treat asylum seekers as illegal," Professor McAdam said.

Professor Andreas Schloenhardt, from the University of Queensland law school took a similar view, saying "the terms 'asylum seeker' and 'illegal' should not be used together or in the same sentence".

a refugee advocate saying it is " not appropriate" doesnt negate the facts John. Good try though. Better than Ozzys . At least you had something. And you arent even a lawyer. How about that.

1. This bloke is what? "Professor Andreas Schloenhardt, from the University of Queensland law school took a similar view, saying "the terms 'asylum seeker' and 'illegal' should not be used together or in the same sentence".

2. Have you found that link yet, Rhino....or do I (and we all) conclude you have no idea what you are talking about?

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Reply #80 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:42pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Illegal means specifically proscribed by law, unlawful means not authorised by law.

Both can be punishable by law.

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935...

Yes. why is anyone even arguing this? Ozzys just made himself out to be a right wally, now Johns doing the same. why do these people argue black is white? Its beyond me Undecided

I reckon most things are. You are just a bloke who posts silly little ignorant prat like crap while shooting your mouth off with garbage, and when push comes to shove, you bolt.

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Resolute Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 730	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #81 - May 21^st, 2015 at 8:55pm Belay the abuse Long John.......arrrrrr. Ya f'king idiot!
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Reply #82 - May 21^st, 2015 at 9:05pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:33pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Grendel wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Good grief.... no visa you are illegal... that is clear and certain.

the only thing certain is your level of stupidity ... an asylum seeker entering Australia without a visa is UNLAWFUL, not illegal

.

Fair enough. whats the difference John? I mean the entire legal fraternity in Australia says they are illegal, what do you know that they dont?

Actually one shouldn't listen to Johnboy you'll get led astray.

The Convention says Johnboy...

"The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their

illegal entry

or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. (Article 31, (1))

Gee look at that... ILLEGAL ENTRY... sorry Johnboy I keep trying to educate you but you never listen and never learn. BTW we went over this very same thing ages ago... YOU NEVER LEARN!!! Roll Eyes

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Reply #83 - May 21^st, 2015 at 9:10pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Grendel wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Good grief.... no visa you are illegal... that is clear and certain.

the only thing certain is your level of stupidity ... an asylum seeker entering Australia without a visa is UNLAWFUL, not illegal

Grendel wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

If people in boats are drowning or in trouble outside our Territorial waters they are not our responsibility.

then perhaps one shouldn't make such blanket statements. Cheesy

Grendel wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Honestly John, wake up to yourself and ditch the hatred that fogs your brain.

Hatred?

no hatred Goose, merely applying the same standard to him that you and every other dickhead applied to labor for 6 yrs. You can only wonder what it's like with no fog.

YOU NEED TO STOP LYING ABOUT ME ON THIS SITE...
Now run away and lie about someone else.

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Reply #84 - May 21^st, 2015 at 9:18pm

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:42pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Illegal means specifically proscribed by law, unlawful means not authorised by law.

Both can be punishable by law.

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935...

Yes. why is anyone even arguing this? Ozzys just made himself out to be a right wally, now Johns doing the same. why do these people argue black is white? Its beyond me Undecided

I reckon most things are. You are just a bloke who posts silly little ignorant prat like crap while shooting your mouth off with garbage, and when push comes to shove, you bolt.

But illegal entrants is still correct.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39902 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #85 - May 21^st, 2015 at 9:23pm Ho ho ho, and a bottle of rum! Quote: YOU NEED TO STOP LYING ABOUT ME ON THIS SITE... Now run away and lie about someone else. You lie about me and others on this site, so why ought people not at least be truthful about you on this site?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39902 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #86 - May 21^st, 2015 at 9:29pm Quote: But illegal entrants is still correct. It all boils down to grammatical semantics and each side will choose the phrase which suits their agenda. These people are not illegal or illegals. Their entry in some context may be described as illegal. The bigots choose to blur the distinction.
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Reply #87 - May 21^st, 2015 at 10:50pm

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:42pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Illegal means specifically proscribed by law, unlawful means not authorised by law.

Both can be punishable by law.

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935...

Yes. why is anyone even arguing this? Ozzys just made himself out to be a right wally, now Johns doing the same. why do these people argue black is white? Its beyond me Undecided

I reckon most things are. You are just a bloke who posts silly little ignorant prat like crap while shooting your mouth off with garbage, and when push comes to shove, you bolt.

Nah, I owned you. No need for anything more. A lawyer who doesnt know people need a visa to enter Australia legally and who doesnt know the difference between unlawful and illegal. Its like you wanted to be owned. Seems youre getting a tad emotional. Wonder why that is.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #88 - May 21^st, 2015 at 10:51pm check the poll out Ozzy. Lol. And here you are , still emotionally wound up engaging in semantics.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #89 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37am It's ok, Gambia, the smallest nation in West Africa will take the Rohingya asylum seekers. Cambodia, the poorest, most corrupt country in SE Asia will take their first lot of asylum seekers from Manus Island. Australia, it's time for a nappy change.
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