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Re: They stopped the boats???
Reply #45 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #46 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm Good one Nef, I would have done it, but as you know I'm ignoring the stupid Troll.
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Reply #47 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:04pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 2:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:37am:

Horseshit. 7,000 believed to be at sea and Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have now agreed to accept them on land with some conditions.

Stopped the boats ey? How much egg on how many faces, and how right were those who insisted the boats were still leaving, and that people were still at risk on the high seas?

You are an arsehole Abbott.

what a stupid post and typical of a morally and intellectually bankrupt PUP supporter. Thailand, Malaysia and INdonesia are NOT australia - which is not really news to most of us.

Abbott stopped the boats and even Labor and the Greens admit that. Only fools like PUP and other boofheads want to include boats from other countries en route to yet another country in the tally.

Abbott won. You lost.

abbott won? what did he win?

didn't abbott say he would remove the pull factors that led these people to risk their lives ... maybe they're being 'pulled' by Abbott animal magnetism Grin

its hard to argue with outcomes. ZERO BOATS. Howard and Abbott knew how to deal with this problem and proved it.

it's hard to argue anything with your head so firmly planted up your back & side, but nevertheless you manage

someone did promise no more pull factors therefore no more drownings at sea? right?

and there arent any. or are you so anally retentive and idiotic that you want to blame abbott for drownings in other parts of the world on boats NOT heading to australia?

aren't any? asylum seekers are drowning everywhere.

Not heading to Australia? wasn't the preferred route to Malaysia through Indonesia and then to Australia, and we have thousands missing from Malaysia to Indonesia ... how can you say they're not heading to Australia? should they cross the North Pole first? Cheesy

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Reply #48 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:58pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:14pm:

'unlawful killing'. Does that mean murder is not illegal but only unlawful?

no, it means that in some cases killing is legal (eg. when shooting someone who is about to shoot you or when an executioner executes someone)

you have an incredible ability to miss the point, something you do most of the time. illegal and unlawful are IDENTICAL TERMS.

no, it is you who misses the point. Whilst killing is unlawful, as you can see from the examples given, it is not always illegal.

Not to worry longie, it's perfectly understandable that somebody with your sheat for brains is able to miss such a fine (but nevertheless still valid) distinction

your understanding of words is so bad. even in the example you quoted (offtopic) killing in self-defence is both legal and lawful. It is not one and not the other. the words are IDENTICAL in meaning therefore interchangeable in any sentence or context.

killing is always UNLAWFUL. Self defense does not make it lawful, it makes it legal. You show me one law that says killing is lawful?

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Reply #49 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

I should imagine it would be much easier for an alleged ex lawyer to state whether I am correct or not. Am I correct Ozzy or not? You have 2 options here, run away as you have previously done or state a learned legal opinion, which is it?

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Reply #50 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:58pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:14pm:

'unlawful killing'. Does that mean murder is not illegal but only unlawful?

no, it means that in some cases killing is legal (eg. when shooting someone who is about to shoot you or when an executioner executes someone)

you have an incredible ability to miss the point, something you do most of the time. illegal and unlawful are IDENTICAL TERMS.

no, it is you who misses the point. Whilst killing is unlawful, as you can see from the examples given, it is not always illegal.

Not to worry longie, it's perfectly understandable that somebody with your sheat for brains is able to miss such a fine (but nevertheless still valid) distinction

your understanding of words is so bad. even in the example you quoted (offtopic) killing in self-defence is both legal and lawful. It is not one and not the other. the words are IDENTICAL in meaning therefore interchangeable in any sentence or context.

killing is always UNLAWFUL. Self defense does not make it lawful, it makes it legal. You show me one law that says killing is lawful?

come on John, ask the Lawyer. Surely he would know. I know and Im not a lawyer.

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Reply #51 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

rather long document for one to search through, why don't you highlight the part you think is relevant?

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Reply #52 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:14pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:58pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 3:14pm:

'unlawful killing'. Does that mean murder is not illegal but only unlawful?

no, it means that in some cases killing is legal (eg. when shooting someone who is about to shoot you or when an executioner executes someone)

you have an incredible ability to miss the point, something you do most of the time. illegal and unlawful are IDENTICAL TERMS.

no, it is you who misses the point. Whilst killing is unlawful, as you can see from the examples given, it is not always illegal.

Not to worry longie, it's perfectly understandable that somebody with your sheat for brains is able to miss such a fine (but nevertheless still valid) distinction

your understanding of words is so bad. even in the example you quoted (offtopic) killing in self-defence is both legal and lawful. It is not one and not the other. the words are IDENTICAL in meaning therefore interchangeable in any sentence or context.

killing is always UNLAWFUL. Self defense does not make it lawful, it makes it legal. You show me one law that says killing is lawful?

come on John, ask the Lawyer. Surely he would know. I know and Im not a lawyer.

no need, common sense is usually sufficient

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Re: They stopped the boats???
Reply #53 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

I should imagine it would be much easier for an alleged ex lawyer to state whether I am correct or not. Am I correct Ozzy or not? You have 2 options here, run away as you have previously done or state a learned legal opinion, which is it?

you are incorrect, the act specifically stipulates exemptions to that statement. Those seeking asylum are not illegal, according to the act, they are unlawful

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #54 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:16pm John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:14pm: no need, common sense is usually sufficient apparently not in this case.
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Reply #55 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:17pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

I should imagine it would be much easier for an alleged ex lawyer to state whether I am correct or not. Am I correct Ozzy or not? You have 2 options here, run away as you have previously done or state a learned legal opinion, which is it?

you are incorrect, the act specifically stipulates exemptions to that statement. Those seeking asylum are not illegal, according to the act, they are unlawful

but do you know the difference between the 2 John? Wheres ozzy gone?

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Reply #56 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:18pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:17pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm:

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

I should imagine it would be much easier for an alleged ex lawyer to state whether I am correct or not. Am I correct Ozzy or not? You have 2 options here, run away as you have previously done or state a learned legal opinion, which is it?

you are incorrect, the act specifically stipulates exemptions to that statement. Those seeking asylum are not illegal, according to the act, they are unlawful

but do you know the difference between the 2 John? Wheres ozzy gone?

I've enough of an idea to know that something can be unlawful without being illegal

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #57 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:18pm rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:16pm: John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:14pm: no need, common sense is usually sufficient apparently not in this case. even in this case, it's just that longie and common sense don't mix ... it's like mixing water with oil
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #58 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:19pm Heres what ABC fact check states Quote: Scott Morrison correct on 'illegal entry' of people without a visa http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372
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Reply #59 - May 21^st, 2015 at 7:19pm

rhino wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Neferti wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 6:58pm:

If you have no idea what LEGISLATION people are talking about, use Google and Fetch it yourself, Aussie, LLB.

Here's a hint

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

There ya go Rhino. Someone else has done half the work so it should be easy for you to now link the section which supports this assertion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

I should imagine it would be much easier for an alleged ex lawyer to state whether I am correct or not. Am I correct Ozzy or not? You have 2 options here, run away as you have previously done or state a learned legal opinion, which is it?

I'm not here to give legal opinions, but when others do, that attracts my interest, and I'll generally post questions. Post the link, Rhino....the one which shows the section of that Act which supports this bold legal opinion of yours....

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

Put up, Rhino.

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