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Reply #105 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:41am

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:23am:

Therer is a difference between illegal and unlawful and it's very simple.

Unlawful is not a criminal act. Illegal is.

They are not synonyms. They are distinct words with distinct meanings.

Entering this country without a visa is not a criminal act, therefore not illegal.

nearly got it. I see someones been googling. Not right though but nearly there.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #106 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:42am mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am: Why is this so hard to understand? I could easily explain this to my children. youd be wrong. Read your google link again.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20755 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #107 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:43am mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am: It is not a criminal act to enter this ciuntry without a visa. Therefore it is not illegal. . The migration act says it's illegal to try to enter without a visa. I will go with the migration act over a internet nobody on this issue.
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Reply #108 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

It is not a criminal act to enter this ciuntry without a visa.

Therefore it is not illegal.
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The migration act says it's illegal to try to enter without a visa.

I will go with the migration act over a internet nobody on this issue.

Prove it. From what i have seen, it is very specifically using the word 'unlawful'.

Illegal would put us in violation of international law.

Think about it.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36512 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #109 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:42am: mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am: Why is this so hard to understand? I could easily explain this to my children. youd be wrong. Read your google link again. Not wrong. the words are not synonyms.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #110 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am Its certainly bringing out the idiots, including an alleged lawyer who apparently doesnt know a visa is required to enter the country.
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Reply #111 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:42am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why is this so hard to understand? I could easily explain this to my children.

youd be wrong. Read your google link again.

Not wrong. the words are not synonyms.

didnt say they were. Its not difficult to understand , you nearly got there, keep trying.

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Reply #112 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:52am

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Its certainly bringing ou the idiots, including an alleged lawyer who apparently doesnt know a visa is required to enter the country.

You should check your poll again. Seems not everyone agrees with you.

And if you refuse to grasp the distinction between 2 wrods with different meanings then you are either belligerant or an idiot.

I tend to think a little from column a, a little from column b.

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Reply #113 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:52am

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Its certainly bringing out the idiots, including an alleged lawyer who apparently doesnt know a visa is required to enter the country.

I guess you are having a shot at me. You will not find a post of mine here to back that up.

When will you provide the live link to the section of the Act which backs up this bold assertion of yours?

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The immigration act clearly states that anyone entering Austyralia without a valid visa does so illegally.

Having trouble finding it are you?

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Reply #114 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:01pm

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:52am:

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Its certainly bringing ou the idiots, including an alleged lawyer who apparently doesnt know a visa is required to enter the country.

You should check your poll again. Seems not everyone agrees with you.

And if you refuse to grasp the distinction between 2 wrods with different meanings then you are either belligerant or an idiot.

I tend to think a little from column a, a little from column b.

I didnt say they had 2 different meanings. But you should have learnt the difference between the 2 before you posted. In this case they are interchangeable, but not in every case. that may give you a clue. I will put you out of your misery tonight if you still dont know. Damn i feel smart on this forum, not necassarily a good thing. Wish there was someone here who could offer me an intellectual challenge.

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Reply #115 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:09pm

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:52am:

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Its certainly bringing ou the idiots, including an alleged lawyer who apparently doesnt know a visa is required to enter the country.

You should check your poll again. Seems not everyone agrees with you.

And if you refuse to grasp the distinction between 2 wrods with different meanings then you are either belligerant or an idiot.

I tend to think a little from column a, a little from column b.

I didnt say they had 2 different meanings. But you should have learnt the difference between the 2 before you posted. In this case they are interchangeable, but not in every case. that may give you a clue. I will put you out of your misery tonight if you still dont know. Damn i feel smart on this forum, not necassarily a good thing. Wish there was someone here who could offer me an intellectual challenge.

You have the worst case of Dunning-Kruger i've ever come across.

If you were even a little bit smarter, you'd be embarrassed.

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Reply #116 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

It is not a criminal act to enter this ciuntry without a visa.

Therefore it is not illegal.
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The migration act says it's illegal to try to enter without a visa.

I will go with the migration act over a internet nobody on this issue.

If something is illegal under an Act of Parliament it is also unlawful under the provisions of said Act.

And that's a fact!

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Reply #117 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:23pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

It is not a criminal act to enter this ciuntry without a visa.

Therefore it is not illegal.
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The migration act says it's illegal to try to enter without a visa.

I will go with the migration act over a internet nobody on this issue.

If something is illegal under an Act of Parliament it is also unlawful under the provisions of said Act.

And that's a fact!

Yes, but something unlawful isn't necessarily illegal.

Experts agree that assylum seekers are unlawful, not illegal.

People smuggling is illegal and to refer to it as such is fair but it must be stipulated that that is what is being referred to specifically as illegal.

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Reply #118 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:33pm

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/

Here's the link for the Cth Migration Act (1958).

You will note that this Act alone provides sufficient evidence for the swift execution of all lawyers on the basis that they are totally inept whilst being most competent in creating utter chaos for everyone around them.

Happy reading!

I'm off to grab a Panadol.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: They stopped the boats??? Reply #119 - May 22^nd, 2015 at 12:36pm Post delay time again?
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