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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming Reply #15 - May 26^th, 2015 at 6:18pm Ajax wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you both denying the medieval warm period happened..???? What about the little ice age we're still coming out of. BRAINWASHED you too are......???? http://i57.tinypic.com/xavq7d.jpg where are the temperatures on Lamb's y-axis?
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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #16 - May 26^th, 2015 at 8:51pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Ajax wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Are you both denying the medieval warm period happened..????

What about the little ice age we're still coming out of.

BRAINWASHED you too are......????

http://i57.tinypic.com/xavq7d.jpg

where are the temperatures on Lamb's y-axis?

Don't know fur ball he is from the IPCC what did you expect honest John....!!!

Central Greenland surface temperature reconstruction for the last millennium. Adapted from Kobashi et al. (2010).

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/23/the-medieval-warm-period-in-the-arctic/

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #17 - May 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

central Greenland surface temperatures hovering around -31 degC

Good one Ajax - your propaganda extracted from crack pot fossil fuel sites has no limit it seems - Grin

Its like going to the bottom of a Pacific Ocean trench and recording some parameter over a 1000 years and then making global claims.

Well done Ajax - so it's true what they say about you Batman? Wink

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Reply #18 - May 27^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Poor deluded chimp clutching at straws and name calling to save your hide.

Its over chimp CO2 has never driven Earth's temperature and never will.

Pretty soon people will start demanding that Antropogenic Global Warming be put into the mythology basket where it belongs

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New paper shows Medieval Warm Period was global in scope

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/new-paper-shows-medieval-warm-period-was-g...

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/07/medieval-warm-period-found-in-120-proxies-roman...

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Medieval Warm Period found in 120 proxies

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/07/medieval-warm-period-found-in-120-proxies-roman...

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #19 - May 27^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

Ajax the clown with a list of random names and geologists

Take the paper by Jenings and Weiner in 1996 for example. Their work focused on a small region in Eastern Greenland. Grin

. And the great Justwan published a book in 2008. WOW - so did Adolf Hitler in the 1930s

let us take a look at some of work of Dansgaard et al in 1975. read carefully ladies and gentlemen. Notice how local predictions and measurements can be OUT OF PHASE with other regions of the earth? One needs to be very careful when making global predictions based upon a few local data points. This is why global measurements of temperature via numerous techniques are used.

But Ajax thinks he can post a list of names with a year next to them, and claim some sort of crack pot consensus Cheesy

Oxygen isotope analysis of anew ice core from the crest of the Greenland ice sheet reveals a climatic record of the past 1,420 years. Climatic changes of medium frequencies are in phase with corresponding changes in Iceland and England, whilst long-term changes at mid Atlantic longitudes are out of phase with Europe and North America. Reconciliation with Norse history suggests a strong climatic impact, and a parallel is drawn to the present critical situation of the human society.

I couldnt find Dr Sircus in that selective list. maybe batcrap edited Dr Sircus out because he panicked? Who knows ladies and gentlemen. What we do know is that Dr Sircus can cure cancer with Baking Soda and magnesium tablets.

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #20 - May 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Ajax the clown with a list of random names and geologists

Take the paper by Jenings and Weiner in 1996 for example. Their work focused on a small region in Eastern Greenland. Grin

. And the great Justwan published a book in 2008. WOW - so did Adolf Hitler in the 1930s

let us take a look at some of work of Dansgaard et al in 1975. read carefully ladies and gentlemen. Notice how local predictions and measurements can be OUT OF PHASE with other regions of the earth? One needs to be very careful when making global predictions based upon a few local data points. This is why global measurements of temperature via numerous techniques are used.

But Ajax thinks he can post a list of names with a year next to them, and claim some sort of crack pot consensus Cheesy

Oxygen isotope analysis of anew ice core from the crest of the Greenland ice sheet reveals a climatic record of the past 1,420 years. Climatic changes of medium frequencies are in phase with corresponding changes in Iceland and England, whilst long-term changes at mid Atlantic longitudes are out of phase with Europe and North America. Reconciliation with Norse history suggests a strong climatic impact, and a parallel is drawn to the present critical situation of the human society.

Guess it sucks that you can't refute the actual evidence for the MWP, and have to resort to the 'Shooting the Messenger' version of the ad hominem logical fallacy.

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #21 - May 27^th, 2015 at 8:58pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Ajax the clown with a list of random names and geologists

Take the paper by Jenings and Weiner in 1996 for example. Their work focused on a small region in Eastern Greenland. Grin

. And the great Justwan published a book in 2008. WOW - so did Adolf Hitler in the 1930s

let us take a look at some of work of Dansgaard et al in 1975. read carefully ladies and gentlemen. Notice how local predictions and measurements can be OUT OF PHASE with other regions of the earth? One needs to be very careful when making global predictions based upon a few local data points. This is why global measurements of temperature via numerous techniques are used.

But Ajax thinks he can post a list of names with a year next to them, and claim some sort of crack pot consensus Cheesy

Oxygen isotope analysis of anew ice core from the crest of the Greenland ice sheet reveals a climatic record of the past 1,420 years. Climatic changes of medium frequencies are in phase with corresponding changes in Iceland and England, whilst long-term changes at mid Atlantic longitudes are out of phase with Europe and North America. Reconciliation with Norse history suggests a strong climatic impact, and a parallel is drawn to the present critical situation of the human society.

Guess it sucks that you can't refute the actual evidence for the MWP, and have to resort to the 'Shooting the Messenger' version of the ad hominem logical fallacy.

I checked 7 of the authors on the list - even though it doesn't provide paper titles, journals, volumes etc. - and their conclusions and work don't match the statement made above their names.

Have you checked the actual work that these researchers have carried out?

For the post to be worth anything at all, it would need to have a very clear statement made, followed by the signatures of every single person that is listed.

And of course its not Ajax's list is it? He cuts and pastes stuff from crack pot web sites and pretends to understand the issues when in reality he is clearly ignorant of the basic principles involved.

(He may be able to fool yourself and other Flat Earth disciples, but some primates do some basic checking Batman Wink

You didnt think that you would get away with it did you Ajax? Look what happened to Jethro and Dr Sircus? Grin

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #22 - May 27^th, 2015 at 9:54pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Ajax the clown with a list of random names and geologists

Take the paper by Jenings and Weiner in 1996 for example. Their work focused on a small region in Eastern Greenland. Grin

. And the great Justwan published a book in 2008. WOW - so did Adolf Hitler in the 1930s

let us take a look at some of work of Dansgaard et al in 1975. read carefully ladies and gentlemen. Notice how local predictions and measurements can be OUT OF PHASE with other regions of the earth? One needs to be very careful when making global predictions based upon a few local data points. This is why global measurements of temperature via numerous techniques are used.

But Ajax thinks he can post a list of names with a year next to them, and claim some sort of crack pot consensus Cheesy

Oxygen isotope analysis of anew ice core from the crest of the Greenland ice sheet reveals a climatic record of the past 1,420 years. Climatic changes of medium frequencies are in phase with corresponding changes in Iceland and England, whilst long-term changes at mid Atlantic longitudes are out of phase with Europe and North America. Reconciliation with Norse history suggests a strong climatic impact, and a parallel is drawn to the present critical situation of the human society.

Guess it sucks that you can't refute the actual evidence for the MWP, and have to resort to the 'Shooting the Messenger' version of the ad hominem logical fallacy.

I checked 7 of the authors on the list - even though it doesn't provide paper titles, journals, volumes etc. - and their conclusions and work don't match the statement made above their names.

Have you checked the actual work that these researchers have carried out?

For the post to be worth anything at all, it would need to have a very clear statement made, followed by the signatures of every single person that is listed.

And of course its not Ajax's list is it? He cuts and pastes stuff from crack pot web sites and pretends to understand the issues when in reality he is clearly ignorant of the basic principles involved.

(He may be able to fool yourself and other Flat Earth disciples, but some primates do some basic checking Batman Wink

You didnt think that you would get away with it did you Ajax? Look what happened to Jethro and Dr Sircus? Grin

http://lateforworkllc.com/wp-content/uploads/monkey-on-computer.jpg

When you back a bunch of liers like the IPCC what do you expect you red arse chimp.

That list is valid and true, will try find where I got it from.

have a look here hairy nuts

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More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...

better add this one to the list.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/new-paper-finds-medieval-warming-pe...

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #23 - May 28^th, 2015 at 12:06am

Ajax wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Poor deluded chimp clutching at straws and name calling to save your hide.

Its over chimp CO2 has never driven Earth's temperature and never will.

Pretty soon people will start demanding that Antropogenic Global Warming be put into the mythology basket where it belongs

Quote:

New paper shows Medieval Warm Period was global in scope

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/new-paper-shows-medieval-warm-period-was-g...

http://i59.tinypic.com/169kz83.jpg
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/07/medieval-warm-period-found-in-120-proxies-roman...

Quote:

Medieval Warm Period found in 120 proxies

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/07/medieval-warm-period-found-in-120-proxies-roman...

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

We never had an industrial revolution before Roll Eyes

.. therefore you are cutting down a strawman argument

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming Reply #24 - May 28^th, 2015 at 12:27am rate of warming
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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #25 - May 28^th, 2015 at 12:58am

Ajax wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Poor deluded chimp clutching at straws and name calling to save your hide.

Its over chimp CO2 has never driven Earth's temperature and never will.

Pretty soon people will start demanding that Antropogenic Global Warming be put into the mythology basket where it belongs

You've literally been repeating yourself on a forum for years while the science has failed to shift in your direction. lol.

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #26 - May 28^th, 2015 at 11:41am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Ajax the clown with a list of random names and geologists

Take the paper by Jenings and Weiner in 1996 for example. Their work focused on a small region in Eastern Greenland. Grin

. And the great Justwan published a book in 2008. WOW - so did Adolf Hitler in the 1930s

let us take a look at some of work of Dansgaard et al in 1975. read carefully ladies and gentlemen. Notice how local predictions and measurements can be OUT OF PHASE with other regions of the earth? One needs to be very careful when making global predictions based upon a few local data points. This is why global measurements of temperature via numerous techniques are used.

But Ajax thinks he can post a list of names with a year next to them, and claim some sort of crack pot consensus Cheesy

Oxygen isotope analysis of anew ice core from the crest of the Greenland ice sheet reveals a climatic record of the past 1,420 years. Climatic changes of medium frequencies are in phase with corresponding changes in Iceland and England, whilst long-term changes at mid Atlantic longitudes are out of phase with Europe and North America. Reconciliation with Norse history suggests a strong climatic impact, and a parallel is drawn to the present critical situation of the human society.

Guess it sucks that you can't refute the actual evidence for the MWP, and have to resort to the 'Shooting the Messenger' version of the ad hominem logical fallacy.

I checked 7 of the authors on the list - even though it doesn't provide paper titles, journals, volumes etc. - and their conclusions and work don't match the statement made above their names.

Have you checked the actual work that these researchers have carried out?

For the post to be worth anything at all, it would need to have a very clear statement made, followed by the signatures of every single person that is listed.

And of course its not Ajax's list is it? He cuts and pastes stuff from crack pot web sites and pretends to understand the issues when in reality he is clearly ignorant of the basic principles involved.

(He may be able to fool yourself and other Flat Earth disciples, but some primates do some basic checking Batman Wink

You didnt think that you would get away with it did you Ajax? Look what happened to Jethro and Dr Sircus? Grin

http://lateforworkllc.com/wp-content/uploads/monkey-on-computer.jpg

Which 7 did you check?

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming Reply #27 - May 28^th, 2015 at 6:48pm Chimp_Logic wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 12:27am: rate of warming You damn dirty ape its there in black and white and you just don't know what to do about it do you. Worm breath just accept that CO2 doesn't control temperature here on Earth, as a matter of fact CO2 controls SFA here on Earth.
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Reply #28 - May 28^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

We never had an industrial revolution before Roll Eyes

.. therefore you are cutting down a strawman argument

You're doing well Cerberus getting up to the industrial revolution, not bad for a K9 still got a ways to go though... Cool

Keep up the good work, itchy arse..... Cheesy

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Re: Why manmade CO2 doesn't drive global warming
Reply #29 - May 28^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

gnarwar wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 12:58am:

Ajax wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Poor deluded chimp clutching at straws and name calling to save your hide.

Its over chimp CO2 has never driven Earth's temperature and never will.

Pretty soon people will start demanding that Antropogenic Global Warming be put into the mythology basket where it belongs

You've literally been repeating yourself on a forum for years while the science has failed to shift in your direction. lol.

Well g'day to smacking you too....!!!!!!

The science that is AGW is slowly falling apart.

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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