Do CO2 & temperature correlate?

History shows us that CO2 and temperature don't correlate at all.

Its a well known fact that CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years.

That is first temperature rises and then the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere also rises as the eco systems warm up and release more CO2.

See below.

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale

(NO)

,

(11,000 years)

Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)

(NO)

, It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

WARNING !

This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.

Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale

(NO)

,

(millions of years)

Graph-3

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

(4).....Lately

Theres more stupid in this post than the entire population of New Zealand.

One of the architects of AGW and a member of the club of rome.

Listen to their plans for us...!!!!!!!!!!

Their 5 commandments

JT, Link please.

WOW - i am convinced now

Amazing pretty pictures

WOW Ajax, your stuff is almost as impressive as Jethro's

Well done

Have you read any of Dr Sircus's stuff?

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

We're all trolls: don't be cruel 

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:



One of the fattest trolls ever.

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:34am:


What are you saying that human activity is driving the hot spell we saw in the late 1990's?

You're obviously not reading what I have posted.

One of the graphs up there shows that MORE than I/3 of ALL MANMADE CO2 has gone up into our atmosphere after 1999 and yet temperatures are dropping.

So manmade CO2 up temperatures down....where is your connection...???

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:



Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

defensive mode, lol 

You can quite easily not vote for copper internet 

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:


Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

accept the status quo or else

Its the perfect example of Dunning-Kruger. The more you know about a subject the more doubt you display about what you actually know.


Want to know why I think Jones, Bolt, Monckton know bugger all about anything. Because they are so cocksure about their "knowledge" in those areas.

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:



That is because you are reading it incorrectly. Temperature anomaly refers to the temperature above the average temperature. If there was cooling it would be in negative values.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

paedos don't care............................................................................
........................... until they are caught out 

John_Taverner wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:


Radiative forcing you say from 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What about the other elephant in the room.

Radiative forcing by 95% water vapour....!!!!!!!!!!!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:


I beg your pardon?

Thou shalt not use my name in vain.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:



What is the reference period?

Answer

'HadCRUT4 is a gridded dataset of global historical surface temperature anomalies relative to a 1961-1990 reference period.'

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/

So that even with a slight cooling the temps are above the reference period.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:30am:



And your "data" is Koch Brothers-funded propaganda.

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:


Ohh dear  !

another algorian convert.

Next time you see him ask him how much his beach side condo in san Francisco cost him.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

i don't know what you're on about paedo 

I would say it's far more idiotic to witness Hurricane Katrina and the BP destruction of the Gulf in person, and still deny that there's a problem.

Also those tornadoes that ravaged Texas and Oklahoma last week while in Colorado over 20" of snow fell in May is all just "normal" to you.

The people who deny the existence of climate change are usually the same people who believe racism ceased to exist the day a black "moderate" conservative was elected President of the United States.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:


Lame. You are repeating the exact same KKKoch talking points.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:


Corporatist sockpupet says what..?

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:


WRONG AGAIN

By the way, did you know Koch Bros fund over 250 universities in the US. Including Penn State, home of Michael Mann?

Ajax's Laws

1. Carbon Dioxide is not a byproduct of fossil fuel combustion
2. Carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas
3. Always check with Dr Sircus
4. Fossil Fuel corporations care about the earth because they are honest and not interested in profit. (similar to the tobacco corporations)

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:


That says it all, all alarmist organisations.

Liers the lot of them...!!!

Especially Mann for distorting the mid evil period, with his ssshhhtick...!!!

the Great Ajax is the only one who knows the truth

Ajax will protect the children

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:



Really? Seems you're too busy putting your own foot into it. And do try to come up with something, anything original. 

I still pity u chimp.

You're such an ugly bustard

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:



He's got three heads so you'll need three bickies.

Well when there's only alarmists to talk to best pack your bags and go, see you losers on the flip side.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:


coming from the Great Ajax, mask wearer and children hater...

The Sublime Batman freak detests peer reviewed scientific articles published by expert researchers and scientists?

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

who are you talking to?

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

wow, a dismissive woman - you should get married and multiply that power or have you tried that trick and got so bored you had to start playing more tricks... ??

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:


Hey Cerberus

take a few nights of this patrolling business mate.

Getting sexually aroused talking to the opposite sex on a political forum...I'ld be worried if I was you..

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Did you go to a private school or something?

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:


I said slowing down of the warming and thats what I meant.

IN other words, the speed at which the global temperature is increasing is slowing down. That is still considered warming, just not as at fast a speed. Cooling is when the temperature is decreasing. ANd its not doing that.

Jesus, learn to interpret a bloody graph.

No, your Koch-Brothers blind following speaks for itself.

Now you're getting it. Koch's tentacles are evil are everywhere.

Colorado State blows which is why I attended my undergrad at a school full of hippies and liberals who only pretend to be hippies and liberals. Too proud for Koch money but maybe not.


Now I attend a place full of rich conservatives

debtors prison

Wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many rich conservatives but what do I care? The place will have me in debt for the rest of my years and no amount of Koch money will save me from that fate.

By the way, I'm loving these junk science Koch-funded graphs and rhetoric. Keep 'em coming.They would be amusing if they weren't so sad.

One may have:

Climate Denier Slips into University of Colorado, Boulder & Pepperdine University

In the spring of 2014, Steven F. Hayward taught "Free Market Environmentalism" at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Hayward has no credentials as a scientist nor economist, and has a long history of involvement anti-environmental campaigns for fossil fuel interests like Koch and ExxonMobil. "Free Market Environmentalism" is a concept promoted by the Koch-funded Property and Environment Research Center, of which Hayward is a board member.

Sounds like Ajax kind of people.

Here's another:

Colorado College, Colorado Springs $9,000

Attended there for two years.

Did not see University of Denver on the list but that doesn't surprise me, DU is more of a social programs school, not a science one.

Naw, cannot be bothered with a Koch Brother shill such as yourself.

Ajax wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Carbon Trading May Dwarf That of Crude Oil

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32540966

perceptions_now wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:


Its not the total population of humans on the planet that has the biggest impact but rather HOW certain nations or groups of people live.

take the USA for example which only makes up about 5% of the total global population and yet, consumes about 1/3 of the worlds resources and produces about 30% of the globes total waste and pollution.

So you could have a planet comprised of say 3 Billion US citizens and the impact of the environment and resources is identical to say 45 Billion citizens from Vietnam or 270 Billion Bangladeshis.

The "gross numbers" hide which communities and individuals are causing the most problems for the planet.

Dig deeper and you realise that about 1 billion Humans on the planet are living unsustainably and causing about 90% of the impact on the planet.

And the Australian citizen is the World Gold medalist when it comes to carbon emissions. (partners with Canada and the USA)

People who point to overpopulation issues as the cause of the worlds problems usually live in the West and in the developed world (developed world could also be considered a contradiction in terms)

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:



Only on a per capita basis. But that's what happens when you have a small population and a large land mass to transport goods across.

What was it the Ibuki satellite showed; oh yes , Australia the world's third largest carbon sink. And a slight tinge of pink showing emissions from Sydney, Melbourne and Wollongong.

And OCO satellite showed nothing; except for the tropical north- sparsely inhabited and very little industry.

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

let's all be socialists now and forget about privatised profits to foreign vested interests 

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:


Which leads to many landfills all across America as being full or over capacity that we now dump tons of plastic like toxic computer circuit boards) into the Pacific Ocean which also affects climate change. But don't tell shills like Ajax that. You see, they "love" the environment as long as there is free will to pollute it by any means possible.

Hey Marla

You really suck at predicting a book by its cover.

Since 1997 more than I/3 of ALL manmade CO2 has been released into the atmosphere yet temperatures have remained steady.......why.......???????

You're dead wrong about the oligarchy not wanting to trade in carbon credits, its going to be a $2 trillion dollar market per annum, even oil companies are pushing for all governments of this world to tax their people on the air they breath through carbon credits.

The Kotch borthers which btw I didn't know about until you brought it up here might be against carbon trading and taking orders from big oil or anyone else for that matter.

Marla wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:44am:


They said the Earth was flat and anyone disagreeing was a heretic too kid.

Quote:


What do you expect from an organisation that is funded by AGW alarmists. Just exaggerated slightly have we...???
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/release/archive/2015/2014-global-temperature
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/18/breaking-noaa-nasa-quietly-conceded-2014-...

Quote:


Dear oh dear, hey kid open your eyes and learn about the world you live in.

Ajax wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Are you saying heat doesn't get transported by oceans? The thermohaline cycle describes transport in the ocean by density changes and one of those density changes is due to salinity.... one of the ways salinity can change is due to the freezing process in which you are presumably saying wind plays no part!

http://education.nationalgeographic.com.au/education/encyclopedia/ocean-gyre/?ar...

Good o know that UKMet is a denialist site. Keep that info coming.

Marla wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:44am:



Sorry, I don't see any CO2 figures there.

I guess you missed NOAA thought 2014 was hottest year ever; with a 48% confidence level. Which is explained in the supplement page as being "more unlikely than likely".

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/13/supplemental/page-1