polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28
th, 2015 at 11:44am:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/ayaan-hirsi-ali---heretic...I listened to this interview this morning with great interest. I recalled previously when Soren had quoted Hirsi-Ali in support of his 'never ever' doctrine. The 'never ever' doctrine you might recall, is the idea that terrorism is inherent in Islam, and it will never ever be removed from it given its deep Islamic doctrinal roots. Muslims must, therefore, be condemned as dangerous, recalcitrant adherents to an un-reformable faith, and nothing short of renouncing their religion - along with condemning their prophet - will eliminate the threat that they pose.
Whats interesting is how strenuously
Ali-Hirsi rejects the never-ever doctrine, and indeed her core theme in her latest book is how islam can and should be reformedso that terrorism and extremism is exorcised from the religion.
She rejects the idea that there is some doctrinal barrier preventing the reformation of Islam- and in fact when it was put to her that talk of reform is rather hollow given
that the root of the problem is Islam itself - she flatly and rigorously rejected such a notion.Not that she accepts the inherent worth of Islam (she is an atheist), and she is disdainful of the historical figure Mohammad, but for her the 'facts' of the matter are neither here nor there - ultimately what Islam becomes is something for the muslims themselves to decide, and
she sees no barrier to the muslims constructing a peaceful, tolerant religionout of what she no doubt would regard as myth.
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Firstly, people like
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, totally [and 'conveniently'!] ignore the single and greatest [and insurmountable] hurdle to the reform of ISLAM.
Which is that;
EVERY 'religious' moslem is certain,
and insistent, that ISLAM's doctrinal foundation, and laws, and legitimacy, must rightly, always be sourced from within ISLAM's foundation religious texts the Koran and Hadith.
And [we who 'look on' from the 'outside', need to acknowledge] that the Koran itself has been determined by EVERY 'religious' moslem, as being both holy, and, inerrant [i.e. an uncorrupted, AND, an un-reformable] script.
The claim being made, is that many moslems would like to see reform of ISLAM, to negate or remove those aspects of ISLAM which motivate the 'extremists'.
Secondly, [and much more disturbing to myself] is the incongruous
circumstance which exists, ....that those 'good' people [moslems] who say they want to reform ISLAM, [from their own starting point!!] seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that a great evil resides within, and is present, in the heart of ISLAM.
Incongruous, because those who present themselves as the would-be reformers of ISLAM, still are unable or unwilling to acknowledge the pre-eminent and pre-existing evil character, inherent in
the methods, the 'practice', and the 'maintenance' of ISLAM [the fact of which, is evidenced within ISLAMIC texts, and within the machinations and intent that are exposed in ISLAM's tenets and laws].
Incongruous, because those would-be reformers of ISLAM, still refer - TO THEMSELVES - as
moslems.
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."
But, if ISLAM is the problem...
What is the solution to that problem ?
It is simple....1/ Those who call themselves moslems, AND, disagree with what ISLAM is [and promotes], must [choose to] denounce and then leave ISLAM.
2/ Leave ISLAM, to moslems. [ideally proscribe the 'practice' of ISLAM, in law, in all secular jurisdictions like Australia]
3/ Within every secular jurisdiction [where moslems are resident],
severely punish any and every revealed [exposed] intent [on the part of a moslem] to harm non-moslems or to harm or to undermine the viability of the secular state. ['severely' - make the punishments for such malevolent intent, commensurate with the punishments for murder, treason, and sedition!]
ISLAM isn't honest.
ISLAM isn't tolerant.
ISLAM isn't peaceful.
To any reasoning person, it is apparent, that ISLAM is [at its heart] inherently evil, and that ISLAM, its tenets and laws, promote a great evil in the world.
ISLAM promotes the moral 'concept', that a condition of 'peace' among mankind can be achieved, through moslems having and taking up their 'lawful' right to murder people - but only those people who moslems deem to be bad - and moslems deem those persons to be 'bad', because they are not moslems.
The tenets and laws of ISLAM promote achieving 'peace' among mankind [i.e. ISLAMIC supremacism], through oppression, terror and murder.
Moslems are not honest people.
Not honest with us.
And not honest with themselves.
Yadda said....
Quote:
QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a >> moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?
To my mind, it is not credible at all.
And yet, moslems [even moslems who live within secular nations] refuse to denounce and to leave ISLAM.
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