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Reply #90 - May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm

lee wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 4:38pm:

And Global Sea Ice says what?

Global sea ice says that:
Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html

Arctic sea ice is declining because the planet is warming.
And the Antarctic sea ice extent is increasing slightly (that is in area, not the actual quantity of sea ice) - because the warming of the Antarctic continent is causing more glacial calving and a slight decrease in salinity of Antarctic waters

The ice melting from ocean heat flux decreases faster than the ice growth does in the weakly stratified Southern Ocean, leading to an increase in the net ice production and hence an increase in ice mass. This mechanism is the main reason why the Antarctic sea ice has increased in spite of warming conditions both above and below during the period 1979–2004 and the extended period 1948–2004.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI4136.1

The planet is warming. This is clear and unambiguous. Denying this by trying to cherry pick little factoids that 'you think" support your denial is just silly.

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Reply #91 - May 4^th, 2015 at 1:28pm

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 7:17pm:

The global ice inventory is decreasing year by year as shown by the rising sea level trend and data from the GRACE mission.
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/6k84k0xp

An interesting Graph.

'After taking into account all the above effects, the GRACE scientists find that from 2002 through 2005, the volume of the Antarctic ice sheet decreased substantially, corresponding to .4 mm plus or minus .2 mm of sea-level increase per year. This result was a surprise, both because of the extremely low temperatures in Antarctica, as mentioned above, and because forecasts of global warming had predicted increased snowfall in Antarctica.'

http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/action/grace.cfm

I can see that ALL that melting ice from the Antarctic is really scary.

Much of the sea level rise due to global warming being observed at the moment is due to thermal expansion rather than ice sheet decrease.

Thermal expansion: When water heats up, it expands. About half of the past century's rise in sea level is attributable to warmer oceans simply occupying more space.
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

But then again - you deny that global warming is occurring, so facts seem to be of little interest to you.

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Reply #92 - May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

- you deny that global warming is occurring

I don't deny that global warming is occurring, but I also don't deny that global cooling is taking place as well. The last thing I refuse to deny is that it's all happened thousands, upon thousands of times before in Earth's history. I won't deny that what's happening in our recent lifetimes is nothing new, and will naturally keep recurring 'till we breathe our last breaths.

Cold Carlton anyone?

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Reply #93 - May 4^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

Tap wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

- you deny that global warming is occurring

I don't deny that global warming is occurring, but I also don't deny that global cooling is taking place as well. The last thing I refuse to deny is that it's all happened thousands, upon thousands of times before in Earth's history. I won't deny that what's happening in our recent lifetimes is nothing new, and will naturally keep recurring 'till we breathe our last breaths.

Cold Carlton anyone?

lol, another rates-of-change circle jerk yes pleeeeeeeease Roll Eyes

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Reply #94 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

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Reply #95 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

The point being that Antarctic ice mass has also reduced.

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Reply #96 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

You seem to have a very selective concern for your world lee...

You cherry pick years to suit your fascist global propaganda dogma, and now you like some "ice" over other "ice"

interesting neurotic psychosis

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Reply #98 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

The point being that Antarctic ice mass has also reduced.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif

Dear John

Do you think that the ice loss will be replaced during the mini Ice Age that will last for exactly 15 years from the year 2014 to 2029?

Jethro has already informed everyone on this forum of this Ice Age and checked the prediction with his mentor Dr Sircus who is an acupuncturist that can cure cancer with baking Soda and magnesium tablets. Sir Booby Trap has also shown pictures of snow in small towns in the USA - what else do you want?

Do you really think the ice will be replaced during this Jethro Mini Ice Age?

Do you really think so John?

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Reply #99 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

You cherry pick years to suit your fascist global propaganda dogma, and now you like some "ice" over other "ice"

interesting neurotic psychosis

You don't seem to be winning, Lee. Have a drink. I have a nice Denialist Cocktail for you:

Wild Cherry picking brandy on Antarctic sea Ice

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #100 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:56pm Gee, i am extremely impressed with the supreme intellect and sublime wisdom that the AGW denier possesses. Incredible intellect - only matched by the genius of the Flat Earthers who still run an office in London. Amazingly smart and wise people these AGW deniers.
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Reply #101 - May 4^th, 2015 at 4:58pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Dear John

Do you think that the ice loss will be replaced during the mini Ice Age that will last for exactly 15 years from the year 2014 to 2029?

Jethro has already informed everyone on this forum of this Ice Age and checked the prediction with his mentor Dr Sircus who is an acupuncturist that can cure cancer with baking Soda and magnesium tablets. Sir Booby Trap has also shown pictures of snow in small towns in the USA - what else do you want?

Do you really think the ice will be replaced during this Jethro Mini Ice Age?

Do you really think so John?

Which month of 2014 did his Ice Age start? Grin

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Reply #102 - May 4^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

Tap wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

- you deny that global warming is occurring

I don't deny that global warming is occurring, but I also don't deny that global cooling is taking place as well.

The planet is warming. Not cooling.
The evidence is clear and unambiguous.
To deny this is just silly.

Tap wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

The last thing I refuse to deny is that it's all happened thousands, upon thousands of times before in Earth's history.

Good for you. No one has ever claimed that climate change has not happened before in Earth's history

Tap wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

I won't deny that what's happening in our recent lifetimes is nothing new,

Then you are a fool. What's happening in our recent lifetimes is something new, because it is occurring as a result of the increase in concentration of atmospheric greenhouse gasses from anthropogenic sources.

This is something new.

Tap wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

…and will naturally keep recurring 'till we breathe our last breaths.

The increase in the concentration of atmospheric greenhouse gasses from anthropogenic sources is not a "natural" phenomena.

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Reply #103 - May 4^th, 2015 at 5:06pm

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

I have already made my point.

Arctic sea ice is declining because the planet is warming.
And the Antarctic sea ice extent is increasing slightly (that is in area, not the actual quantity of sea ice) - because the warming of the Antarctic continent is causing more glacial calving and a slight decrease in salinity of Antarctic waters.

What is it about this that don't you understand? I would be happy to explain it for you in further detail.

Are you seriously trying to deny the mountains of empirical evidence which shows that the planet is clearly and unambiguously warming?

Do you seriously believe that virtually every scientist on the planet is involved in some sort of conspiracy theory - and Andrew Bolt is the only person you can really trust?

Seriously?

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Reply #104 - May 4^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

lee wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Passive microwave satellite data reveal that, since 1979, winter Arctic ice extent has decreased about 3 to 4 percent per decade (Meier et al. 2006). Antarctic ice extent is increasing (Cavalieri et al. 2003), but the trend is small.

And Arctic ice is a fraction of Antarctic Ice. Your point being?

The point being that Antarctic ice mass has also reduced.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif

Yes - Antarctic ice mass has also reduced. THis is because the planet is warming.

Accelerating total mass losses from Antarctica
The GRACE (Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment) satellite gravity mission shows that total mass loss in Antarctica is accelerating over time. They found that total mass loss increased by 26 ± 14 gigatonnes per year from 2002 to 20099. Rignot et al. (2011) found a smaller acceleration of 14.5±2 gigatonnes per year from 1993-20115, but this change is still three times larger than that found for mountain glaciers and ice caps.
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surfac...

How people can continue to deny this is just astounding!

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