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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #225 - May 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Where is your evidence of this statement, which you made earlier in the week?

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Anytime before about 100,000 years ago.

Let's just assume that that graph can be confirmed. Where is 100,000 years on that graph?

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #227 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Where is your evidence of this statement, which you made earlier in the week?

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Anytime before about 100,000 years ago.

Let's just assume that that graph can be confirmed. Where is 100,000 years on that graph?

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #228 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Why did you post that graph and now pretend you didn't Shocked

I didn't 'pretend' I didn't..

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #229 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html

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You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html#jCp

- and that was published in 2009 when global CO2 levels averaged about 388ppm(v). There are also countless other studies using actual measurements of atmosphere from 1 millon years ago to the present day.

I recognise that graph as a composite of two studies based on mineral isotope ratios. Do you happen to know what the error bars that were on the original graph look like?

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #230 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

That graph tells us nothing for the period in question. 100,000 years is less than the thickness of the Y axis line on the right hand side.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #231 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Where is your evidence of this statement, which you made earlier in the week?

Quote:

Anytime before about 100,000 years ago.

Let's just assume that that graph can be confirmed. Where is 100,000 years on that graph?

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

You're a fraudulent kiddie hater Wink

Do you respresent all lib voters or are they all embarrassed of you and your crack smoking induced rants they've politiely asked you to cease bringing down to the pub Cheesy

Geez this forum loves the voluntary positions you put yourself in under me just for giggles and stuff

on so regular a basis... people tune in just for the me and you get down and boogie show,.. seriously ... freediver should pay us Cheesy

(... one wonders if gizmo is putting on a demonstration of the uncertainty principle on purpose Cheesy

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #232 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm:

http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html

[quote]You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html#jCp

- and that was published in 2009 when global CO2 levels averaged about 388ppm(v). There are also countless other studies using actual measurements of atmosphere from 1 millon years ago to the present day.

I recognise that graph as a composite of two studies based on mineral isotope ratios. Do you happen to know what the error bars that were on the original graph look like? [/quote]

And that scientist is WRONG...Co2 levels were about 328 ppm in 1890. and 9400 years ago CO2 atmospheric level was 333 ppmv, and 9600 years ago 348 ppmv.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #233 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Where is your evidence of this statement, which you made earlier in the week?

Quote:

Anytime before about 100,000 years ago.

Let's just assume that that graph can be confirmed. Where is 100,000 years on that graph?

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

You're a fraudulent kiddie hater Wink

Do you respresent all lib voters or are they all embarrassed of you and your crack smoking induced rants they've politiely asked you to cease bringing down to the pub Cheesy

Geez this forum loves the voluntary positions you put yourself in under me just for giggles and stuff

on so regular a basis... people tune in just for the me and you get down and boogie show,.. seriously ... freediver should pay us Cheesy

(... one wonders if gizmo is putting on a demonstration of the uncertainty principle on purpose Cheesy

)

And because YOU are completely drug f*ck doesn't mean that anything you think is true...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #234 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

That graph tells us nothing for the period in question. 100,000 years is less than the thickness of the Y axis line on the right hand side.

How many years has gizmo spent trying to seriously hate the kids? (How many kids are there on this planet again?)

Gizmo is a serial kiddie hater,... no wonder his mates don't put up with his "politics" down the pub Shocked

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #235 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm:

http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html

[quote]You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-carbon-dioxide-high-million-years.html#jCp

- and that was published in 2009 when global CO2 levels averaged about 388ppm(v). There are also countless other studies using actual measurements of atmosphere from 1 millon years ago to the present day.

I recognise that graph as a composite of two studies based on mineral isotope ratios. Do you happen to know what the error bars that were on the original graph look like?

And that scientist is WRONG...Co2 levels were about 328 ppm in 1890. and 9400 years ago CO2 atmospheric level was 333 ppmv, and 9600 years ago 348 ppmv.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/ [/quote]

Oh dear.

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Statement of Prof. Zbigniew Jaworowski
Chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection
Warsaw, Poland

I don't see the connection between radiological protection and glaciology.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #236 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Yes it is.

No it's not.. Cheesy

What is your proof, other than Al Gore said so, or 75 out of 77 'scientists' said so??

Where is your evidence of this statement, which you made earlier in the week?

Quote:

Anytime before about 100,000 years ago.

Let's just assume that that graph can be confirmed. Where is 100,000 years on that graph?

About 3 mm from the right hand side (as best as I can judge) Feel free to dispute that finding...it might be 200.00 years, or even 500,000 years.

The scale is pretty rough.

You're a fraudulent kiddie hater Wink

Do you respresent all lib voters or are they all embarrassed of you and your crack smoking induced rants they've politiely asked you to cease bringing down to the pub Cheesy

Geez this forum loves the voluntary positions you put yourself in under me just for giggles and stuff

on so regular a basis... people tune in just for the me and you get down and boogie show,.. seriously ... freediver should pay us Cheesy

(... one wonders if gizmo is putting on a demonstration of the uncertainty principle on purpose Cheesy

)

And because YOU are completely drug f*ck doesn't mean that anything you think is true...

whoah, don't like defeat do you mister-copper-internet-voter-because-you-hate-life

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #238 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/

Another personal blog by the looks of it.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/

The main site doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

And?? Because it's personal blog does NOT mean that it's wrong...

After all http://www.skepticalscience.com/ is a personal blog too..

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #239 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/

Another personal blog by the looks of it.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/

The main site doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

And?? Because it's personal blog does NOT mean that it's wrong...

After all http://www.skepticalscience.com/ is a personal blog too..

If Prof. Zbigniew Jaworowski, Chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection thought that all glaciology studies were wrong, then why didn't he bother to publish in a recognised journal? After all, it sounds very .... er relevant.

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