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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #150 - May 6^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

You mean you prefer shorter timescales? I thought you guys wanted to go back millenia?

It's called cherry picking. This is how it works. First you select a year with a higher temperature as a starting point. Second, you select a dataset with a high error variation. Third, you pick a period that is far too short to mean anything.

Denialists say the darndest things. Grin

Where is the evidence that human generated Co2 is responsible for whatever is happening to the climate and that there would be no change without human CO2??

It is not just anthropogenic CO2 that is the cause - other anthropogenic gasses are also contributing to the warming.

And the evidence for this is that the radiance spectra of energy re-emitted by these molecules has been measured over time and it has been show that the amount of energy being re-emitted by these molecules is increasing as the concentration of the gasses increases:

Measurements of the Radiative Surface Forcing of Climate

W.F.J. Evans, North West Research Associates, Bellevue, WA; and E. Puckrin

The earth's climate system is warmed by 35 C due to the emission of downward infrared radiation by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (surface radiative forcing) or by the absorption of upward infrared radiation (radiative trapping). Increases in this emission/absorption are the driving force behind global warming. Climate models predict that the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere has altered the radiative energy balance at the earth's surface by several percent by increasing the greenhouse radiation from the atmosphere. With measurements at high spectral resolution, this increase can be quantitatively attributed to each of several anthropogenic gases. Radiance spectra of the greenhouse radiation from the atmosphere have been measured at ground level from several Canadian sites using FTIR spectroscopy at high resolution. The forcing radiative fluxes from CFC11, CFC12, CCl4, HNO3, O3, N2O, CH4, CO and CO2 have been quantitatively determined over a range of seasons. The contributions from stratospheric ozone and tropospheric ozone are separated by our measurement techniques. A comparison between our measurements of surface forcing emission and measurements of radiative trapping absorption from the IMG satellite instrument shows reasonable agreement. The experimental fluxes are simulated well by the FASCOD3 radiation code. This code has been used to calculate the model predicted increase in surface radiative forcing since 1850 to be 2.55 W/m2. In comparison, an ensemble summary of our measurements indicates that an energy flux imbalance of 3.5 W/m2 has been created by anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases since 1850. This experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming.
https://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2006/techprogram/paper_100737.htm

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #151 - May 6^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

You mean you prefer shorter timescales? I thought you guys wanted to go back millenia?

It's called cherry picking. This is how it works. First you select a year with a higher temperature as a starting point. Second, you select a dataset with a high error variation. Third, you pick a period that is far too short to mean anything.

Denialists say the darndest things. Grin

Where is the evidence that human generated Co2 is responsible for whatever is happening to the climate and that there would be no change without human CO2??

more homework Shocked

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21374 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #152 - May 6^th, 2015 at 2:01pm rabbitoh08 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 12:46pm: So - global warming stopped on 10 April 2015 did it Lee! Merely pointing out that a DAILY sea ice page is not working, and asking how you can be sure it is melting.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #153 - May 6^th, 2015 at 2:11pm lee wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:01pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 12:46pm: So - global warming stopped on 10 April 2015 did it Lee! Merely pointing out that a DAILY sea ice page is not working, and asking how you can be sure it is melting. more homework
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #154 - May 6^th, 2015 at 5:24pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Sea level rises - The heat warming the water increasing SLR 0.02-.03mm per decade. But keep using the zettajoules it helps to make it look scary.

Why does data that is recorded in degC get changed to Zj anyway?

Sea levels rise because of thermal expansion of the water and melting of glacial ice.

Why is this happening, and being observed if - as you say - the "warming has stopped"

Waiting for an answer genius.

You should know better. I think you are stuck on the thought of warm air at the surface of water, warming or slowing the cooling of the ocean.

Oceans are mostly warmed by shortwave radiation and more can hit the water or less, depending on cloud cover, not because of it getting warmer in the atmosphere.

Do you mean Infrared radiation of wavelength 1.3 to 3 microns?

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #155 - May 6^th, 2015 at 5:27pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

It is not just anthropogenic CO2 that is the cause - other anthropogenic gasses are also contributing to the warming.

And the evidence for this is that the radiance spectra of energy re-emitted by these molecules has been measured over time and it has been show that the amount of energy being re-emitted by these molecules is increasing as the concentration of the gasses increases:
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Very succinct.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #156 - May 6^th, 2015 at 6:02pm The Cruel Bigot has raised his callous cranium
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #157 - May 6^th, 2015 at 7:54pm lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm: Sea level rises - The heat warming the water increasing SLR 0.02-.03mm per decade. But keep using the zettajoules it helps to make it look scary. Why does data that is recorded in degC get changed to Zj anyway? Remember ΔH= SMΔT from school? Obviously not.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21374 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #158 - May 6^th, 2015 at 8:59pm Why then convert the Zj back to degC? Compounding any errors.
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #159 - May 6^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Sea level rises - The heat warming the water increasing SLR 0.02-.03mm per decade. But keep using the zettajoules it helps to make it look scary.

Why does data that is recorded in degC get changed to Zj anyway?

Remember ΔH= SMΔT from school?

Obviously not.

S?

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #160 - May 6^th, 2015 at 9:38pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Sea level rises - The heat warming the water increasing SLR 0.02-.03mm per decade. But keep using the zettajoules it helps to make it look scary.

Why does data that is recorded in degC get changed to Zj anyway?

Remember ΔH= SMΔT from school?

Obviously not.

S?

Specific Heat Capacity. Showing my age perhaps. What did you use? C? Sometimes ΔH (change in Enthalpy) is written as Q.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #161 - May 6^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

lee wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

So - global warming stopped on 10 April 2015 did it Lee!

Merely pointing out that a DAILY sea ice page is not working, and asking how you can be sure it is melting.

Because it has been observed to be melting Lee.

Arctic ice cap is melting:
Arctic sea ice extent for March 2015 averaged 14.39 million square kilometers (5.56 million square miles). This is the lowest March ice extent in the satellite record. It is 1.13 million square kilometers (436,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average of 15.52 million square kilometers (6.00 million square miles). It is also 60,000 square kilometers (23,000 square miles) below the previous record low for the month observed in 2006.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

the Greenland ice sheet is melting:
The mass of ice in the Greenland Ice Sheet has begun to decline. From 1979 to 2006, summer melt on the ice sheet increased by 30 percent, reaching a new record in 2007. At higher elevations, an increase in winter snow accumulation has partially offset the melt. However, the decline continues to outpace accumulation because warmer temperatures have led to increased melt and faster glacier movement at the island's edges.
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html

The Antarctic ice mass is decreasing:
The GRACE (Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment) satellite gravity mission shows that total mass loss in Antarctica is accelerating over time. They found that total mass loss increased by 26 ± 14 gigatonnes per year from 2002 to 20099. Rignot et al. (2011) found a smaller acceleration of 14.5±2 gigatonnes per year from 1993-20115, but this change is still three times larger than that found for mountain glaciers and ice caps.
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surfac...

and global glacial mass balance is decreasing:
Glacier Mass Balance Bulletin, No. 11, 2011...
During the first decade of the century, the maximum loss of the 1980−1999 time period (−824 mm w.e. per year in 1998) was exceeded twice (in 2003 and 2006), the percentage of positive glacier mass balances decrease from 33 % in the 1980s to 20 %, and there were no more years with a positive mean balance in the past two reporting decades. The melt rate and cumulative loss in glacier thickness continues to be extraordinary. Furthermore, the analyses of mean AAR values show that the glaciers are in strong and increasing imbalance with the climate and, hence, will continue to melt even without further warming.

Yet you tell us (via Andrew Bolt, or WUWT or whatever nut job blog you subscribe to) - that "global warming has stopped!!!

Seriously - stop making a fool of yourself.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #162 - May 7^th, 2015 at 12:06am

John_Taverner wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Sea level rises - The heat warming the water increasing SLR 0.02-.03mm per decade. But keep using the zettajoules it helps to make it look scary.

Why does data that is recorded in degC get changed to Zj anyway?

Remember ΔH= SMΔT from school?

Obviously not.

S?

Specific Heat Capacity. Showing my age perhaps. What did you use? C? Sometimes ΔH (change in Enthalpy) is written as Q.

CpmDT = U = Q

I thought for a minute there you snuck in Entropy

Incidentally if you used S for specific Heat capacity, what did you use for Entropy?

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #163 - May 7^th, 2015 at 5:33am Entropy was S too. Maybe that's why they changed.
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #164 - May 7^th, 2015 at 9:30am

John_Taverner wrote on May 7^th, 2015 at 5:33am:

Entropy was S too. Maybe that's why they changed.

when were you born, during Boltzmann's time?

....he has his own equation engraved on his tomb stone I believe

Although my all time favorite mathematical relationship is Euler's equation - conceptually poetic indeed

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