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Reply #120 - May 5^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

http://images.remss.com/data/msu/graphics/TLT/plots/RSS_TS_channel_TLT_Global_Land_And_Sea_v03_3.png

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

You mean you prefer shorter timescales? I thought you guys wanted to go back millenia?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #121 - May 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm You can go back that far if you want; and put the present into context. But if you want to show warming has stopped; you start at the latest date the figures are available and work backwards. And all this with greater CO2 than the model predictions for Scenario A, too.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #122 - May 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Can we stop using this graph when you guys can't even interpret it properly. Please tell us how we should interpret it. I mean interpretation is such a personal thing.
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #123 - May 5^th, 2015 at 4:27pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

You can go back that far if you want; and put the present into context.

But if you want to show warming has stopped; you start at the latest date the figures are available and work backwards.

And all this with greater CO2 than the model predictions for Scenario A, too.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #124 - May 5^th, 2015 at 4:29pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Can we stop using this graph when you guys can't even interpret it properly.

Please tell us how we should interpret it.

I mean interpretation is such a personal thing. Wink

Oh, the ol' lee wants everyone to do his homework trick Roll Eyes

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Reply #125 - May 5^th, 2015 at 5:17pm

Gee I am really worried about this mini Ice Age, which apparently just commenced in 2014 and will cease in the year 2015, lasting exactly 15 years.

WOW these AGW deniers are so precise and back up their claims with hard science and repeatable experimental data

I wish I was as smart as Jethro, Lee and the bystander who is apparently innocent.

I may need to read more of Dr Sircus's work, so that I can learn about how to cure cancer with Baking Soda and magnesium

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #126 - May 5^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

http://images.remss.com/data/msu/graphics/TLT/plots/RSS_TS_channel_TLT_Global_Land_And_Sea_v03_3.png

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

Which dataset should we be using?
Upper Troposphere, Lower troposphere or total troposphere

Explain why.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #127 - May 5^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

You mean you prefer shorter timescales? I thought you guys wanted to go back millenia?

It's called cherry picking. This is how it works. First you select a year with a higher temperature as a starting point. Second, you select a dataset with a high error variation. Third, you pick a period that is far too short to mean anything.

Denialists say the darndest things. Grin

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #128 - May 5^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Nice graph. Now notice the difference in time lines

1. 1997 to present;
and
2. 1980 to presumably present.

Can you see the correlation between 1997 to present on the 1980 to present?

You mean you prefer shorter timescales? I thought you guys wanted to go back millenia?

It's called cherry picking. This is how it works. First you select a year with a higher temperature as a starting point. Second, you select a dataset with a high error variation. Third, you pick a period that is far too short to mean anything.

Denialists say the darndest things. Grin

I bet ya all of a sudden lee doesn't think all debt is bad debt either Grin

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Reply #129 - May 5^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

You can go back that far if you want; and put the present into context.

But if you want to show warming has stopped; you start at the latest date the figures are available and work backwards.

And all this with greater CO2 than the model predictions for Scenario A, too.

If warming has stopped,

Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why is Antarctic ice mass decreasing?
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?

If "warming has stopped" as you claim - why are these things occurring?

Any answers?

Or just continued denial of facts?

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Reply #130 - May 5^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why is Antarctic ice mass decreasing?
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?

If "warming has stopped" as you claim - why are these things occurring?

Why why why why why ... because thats what they have been doing since forever drongo Grin

When was the last time all of the above were stable? Roll Eyes

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #131 - May 5^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

innocentbystander. wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why is Antarctic ice mass decreasing?
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?

If "warming has stopped" as you claim - why are these things occurring?

Why why why why why ... because thats what they have been doing since forever drongo Grin

When was the last time all of the above were stable? Roll Eyes

innocent doesn't like rates of change Shocked

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #132 - May 5^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

It's called cherry picking. This is how it works. First you select a year with a higher temperature as a starting point.

Exactly wrong. Select the latest data and work backwards. Yep cherry pick the end date, that works for me.

Now JT loaded one graph and innocent bystander the other, I can't pick cherries better than that. Grin

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #133 - May 5^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

innocentbystander. wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why is Antarctic ice mass decreasing?
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?

If "warming has stopped" as you claim - why are these things occurring?

Why why why why why ... because thats what they have been doing since forever drongo Grin

When was the last time all of the above were stable? Roll Eyes

No. They haven't been doing that "forever".
And I asked that if the world is supposedly "not warming" as was claimed - why are these things being observed?

Answer the question:

If warming has supposedly stopped:

Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why is Antarctic ice mass decreasing?
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?

Do you have anything of value to add to this conversation?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS Reply #134 - May 5^th, 2015 at 8:09pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Oh, the ol' lee wants everyone to do his homework trick He's the one making the claims. He should prove it. But of course the adherents of the AGW/CC thing don't do proof well.
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