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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #15 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:01am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

tell WA that they are dreaming... Roll Eyes

the GST should be shared on the basis of per capita...

therefore you'll see that Victoria are subsidising other states like QLD because successive Labor governments spent money like drunken sailors putting them in massive debt...

then... all resources and income from that should have always been going back to the Federal Government...

income coming from mining belong to all Australians, not just the state that they are in...

this is fair...

From each according to his ability to each according to his need? Wink

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #16 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:23am the GST should be shared on the basis of per capita... That is as random as paying GST on a square kilometre basis. Dont forget WA is not asking for your money, they are asking to keep more of their own.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #17 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:36am Can't the States create their own State based GST?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #18 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am So, when we are discussing welfare it is fine to support the poor, even when they are perennial non-contribitors, but when discussing GST splitups it should be based on any criteria OTHER than need? Some of you are playing both sides of the same argument.
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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #19 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 10:39am

miketrees wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

the GST should be shared on the basis of per capita...

That is as random as paying GST on a square kilometre basis.

Dont forget WA is not asking for your money, they are asking to keep more of their own.

Focusing on the GST is cherrypicking and grossly misleading. The states receive other sources of Federal revenue as well. When these other sources of revenue are considered WA has done much better.

For nine out of 16 years that the GST has been in place, WA has been a net taker of Federal money.

For 94% of the time that the Federation has been place, WA has been a net taker of Federal money.

Those subsidies for WA's mining industry also came from Federal money and most of that was paid for by other states.

So if you look a little more closely, WA's case doesn't look so good now, does it?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #20 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 1:28pm 50% guaranteed to each state and pool and split the rest accordingly.
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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #21 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

Bam wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

miketrees wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

the GST should be shared on the basis of per capita...

That is as random as paying GST on a square kilometre basis.

Dont forget WA is not asking for your money, they are asking to keep more of their own.

Focusing on the GST is cherrypicking and grossly misleading. The states receive other sources of Federal revenue as well. When these other sources of revenue are considered WA has done much better.

For nine out of 16 years that the GST has been in place, WA has been a net taker of Federal money.

For 94% of the time that the Federation has been place, WA has been a net taker of Federal money.

Those subsidies for WA's mining industry also came from Federal money and most of that was paid for by other states.

So if you look a little more closely, WA's case doesn't look so good now, does it?

its a good point. WA has taken money from the rest most of the time. Now is literally time to pay back some of that. If mining disappeared they would be back to being takers and then, would we complain?

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #22 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:50pm WA has taken money from the rest most of the time. Once again you are not taking into consideration the huge disadvantage placed on WA by tariffs and the subsidies to manufacturing based in the east in the past.
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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #23 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:00pm

miketrees wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

WA has taken money from the rest most of the time.

Once again you are not taking into consideration the huge disadvantage placed on WA by tariffs and the subsidies to manufacturing based in the east in the past.

Irrelevant, because the tariffs have been mostly removed over the last 42 years starting with the Whitlam government's abolition of the Tariff Board.

I'll state again, I am not unsympathetic to WA's position. However, we need to look at the bigger picture, and a focus on the GST does not do that.

EDIT: 7.30 an ABC will include this. I expect it will be interesting.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: WA GST share. Reply #24 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:28pm Swagman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:36am: Can't the States create their own State based GST? not if they want to win the next election
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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #25 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

miketrees wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

the GST should be shared on the basis of per capita...

That is as random as paying GST on a square kilometre basis.

Dont forget WA is not asking for your money, they are asking to keep more of their own.

they are asking to keep more of their own

When the boot was on the other foot and NSW were asking for the same thing guess who wasn't standing with them, in fact WA liked the fact that they were getting more money from NSW and were arguing in favour of this same system when it was to their advantage.

WA had no problem when they were benefiting from the unfair way that the system is balanced over time.

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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #26 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

So, when we are discussing welfare it is fine to support the poor, even when they are perennial non-contribitors, but when discussing GST splitups it should be based on any criteria OTHER than need?

Some of you are playing both sides of the same argument.

a) abolish the GST and there is no argument - Moskva Rules - no tax - no problem.

b) perhaps the fairest way is to remove all other federal funding for states and give them a per capita return on GST - as long as it lasts...

All this furore over GST just goes to show it was never a good idea in the first place.

Far better to rationalise all the taxes and work out a real system for a change without all the excessive complications and multitudes of taxes.

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Re: WA GST share.
Reply #27 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:11pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

WA should secede, build a few nuke power stations and nuke powered desalination plants, export the power to the Eastern States and Asia and use desal water to irrigate a big piece of the arid interior to grow food to export.

Good plan. I reckon you should see an income stream from all that in aboutttttt ahhhhhh 200 years.

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