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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	"Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:23am --> seriously, what century is this? source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fossil-fuel-subsidies-say-bur...
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #1 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:34am there are 100 000 people employed in mining and it receives $5B in subsidies a year over half the working population works for small business and yet it receives no subsidies. What a rort.
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Reply #2 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:56am

World Bank? Part of the UN?

World bank - leave it in the ground and we will give you money for renewables that can't provide baseload?

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John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

over half the working population works for small business and yet it receives no subsidies.

But they do get business from the mining companies, mining company employees shop in small business.

Are tax writeoffs subsidies? Do you pay tax from dollar one? Who is subsidising you?

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Reply #3 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 11:10am

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

there are 100 000 people employed in mining and it receives $5B in subsidies a year

over half the working population works for small business and yet it receives no subsidies.

What a rort.

It gets worse I'm afraid...

The fossil fuel and mining sectors in Australia are 83% foreign owned and pay a minimal level of tax in this country.

There are more people employed in the Queensland Tourism industry than the entire Australian mining and energy resource sectors.

The Energy and mining sectors in this country receive in excess of 11 billion dollars per year, in subsidies, grants and handouts from the Australian tax payer.

Meanwhile the Australian government squeals about funding the health and education sectors and talks about increasing the GST and introducing fees when you visit the doctors

Anybody see the white elephant in the room?

How dumb can Australia become? Is there a limit to how stupid we are as a people.

(One Scandanavian country has had 70% plus taxes on its offshore oil and gas production for many decades. The proceeds going into a national fund to be used for projects of national interests. It currently has over 600 billion dollars in it. Australia is the dumbest nation on the planet without doubt)

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Reply #4 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 11:26am

lee wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

World Bank? Part of the UN?

World bank - leave it in the ground and we will give you money for renewables that can't provide baseload?

and then below -
John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

over half the working population works for small business and yet it receives no subsidies.

But they do get business from the mining companies, mining company employees shop in small business.

Are tax writeoffs subsidies? Do you pay tax from dollar one? Who is subsidising you?

lee doesn't know what 'baseload' is Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #5 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 11:35am

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

there are 100 000 people employed in mining and it receives $5B in subsidies a year

over half the working population works for small business and yet it receives no subsidies.

What a rort.

Fossil Fuels provided for the building of civilisation in no small part by primarily providing a large and consistent tax base. Of course they provided the energy to run it aswell..

Yet the truth remains that there is no such thing as a free-lunch and externality is a reality: we must take advantage of the knowledgeable human resource we have developed on the back of the civilisation we have built courtesy of fossil fuels and employ smarter methods- more efficient methods!

We all know the concept of diminishing returns... the 5S method is SORT/SET/SHINE/STANDARDISE/SUSTAIN with the last step always being the most difficult.

Any government intervention into the market place weakens the efficieny of those market forces: thus the well worn critique of picking winners but the truth is decisions have to be made or no one goes anywhere! Year 11 economics teaches us that any government intervention into the market place proves difficult to withdraw as the economy grows around the introduced weaknesses YET WE ARE ALSO TAUGHT ECONOMIES ARE MEANT TO BE ROBUST SO THERE IS HOPE Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #6 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:58am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:23am: --> seriously, what century is this? source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fossil-fuel-subsidies-say-bur... Build more dams.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #7 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:01am Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:58am: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:23am: --> seriously, what century is this? source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fossil-fuel-subsidies-say-bur... Build more dams. For hydro?
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Reply #8 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:52am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:23am:

--> seriously, what century is this?

source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fossil-fuel-subsidies-say-bur...

Build more dams.

For hydro?

Nah, for the Inland Submarine Fleet. Protecting our borders from within.

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Reply #9 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:23am:

--> seriously, what century is this?

source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fossil-fuel-subsidies-say-bur...

Build more dams.

For hydro?

Nah, for the Inland Submarine Fleet. Protecting our borders from within.

Oh yeh--> good idea Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #10 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 2:30pm Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:52am: Nah, for the Inland Submarine Fleet. Protecting our borders from within. Yeah and don't forget land rights for gay whales
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #11 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 2:31pm I probably shouldn't have wrote that in a thread that copper coated nutjob reads, now he's going to think that there are gay whales and they are demanding land rights
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Reply #12 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 3:08pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Rider wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Nah, for the Inland Submarine Fleet. Protecting our borders from within.

Yeah and don't forget land rights for gay whales Grin

Spot on. Cheap hydro electricity for gay whales!

Oh, and nuclear powered subs....it all makes sense.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: "Fossil fuel subsidies tempt us ..." Reply #13 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 4:53pm The children haters in this forum have especially low IQ levels
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Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

The children haters in this forum have especially low IQ levels

Your shrink has told you already but I'll repeat this, don't be so critical of yourself. It's true that you are a complete loser, a tosser of the highest order, but everyday you hold it together is a day you prolong the inevitable parking in the garage with the engine running, doors closed with a flexi hose positioned for max effect.

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