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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #270 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am: Is this your own theory? negative. fact. I do however have some personal experience. I have cut off blood flow to quite a number of human brains, none of them have reported any pain from the event afterwards. Unconsciousness was instantaneous.
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Reply #271 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Is this your own theory?

negative. fact. I do however have some personal experience. I have cut off blood flow to quite a number of human brains, none of them have reported any pain from the event afterwards. Unconsciousness was instantaneous.

Thanks Rhino. It's always interesting what kind of characters we get here standing up for Islam.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #272 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:29am You're wrong Rhino - studies have demonstrated that animals feel pain for a period of time - ranging from seconds to minutes after having the arteries in the throat severed.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #273 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:33am freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm: Are you suggesting that government involvement in the process is part of Islam? where did I say anything about government involvement?
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #274 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:29am: You're wrong Rhino - studies have demonstrated that animals feel pain for a period of time - ranging from seconds to minutes after having the arteries in the throat severed. Like to see these studies thanks.
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Reply #275 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:38am

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Is this your own theory?

negative. fact. I do however have some personal experience. I have cut off blood flow to quite a number of human brains, none of them have reported any pain from the event afterwards. Unconsciousness was instantaneous.

Thanks Rhino. It's always interesting what kind of characters we get here standing up for Islam.

Lol, the throat slitting method is common around the world regardless of religion. Many small Australian farmers always killed their own meat this way.

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Reply #276 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:46am

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Is this your own theory?

negative. fact. I do however have some personal experience. I have cut off blood flow to quite a number of human brains, none of them have reported any pain from the event afterwards. Unconsciousness was instantaneous.

Thanks Rhino. It's always interesting what kind of characters we get here standing up for Islam.

Lol, the throat slitting method is common around the world regardless of religion. Many small Australian farmers always killed their own meat this way.

I'm sure Gandalf is glad to have you on the team.

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where did I say anything about government involvement?

In the text I quoted immediately above the question. It was ambiguous, hence the question.

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Reply #277 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:49am

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Like to see these studies thanks.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17972-animals-feel-the-pain-of-religious-s...

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The team first cut calves' throats in a procedure matching that of Jewish and Muslim slaughter methods. They detected a pain signal lasting for up to 2 minutes after the incision. When their throats are cut, calves generally lose consciousness after 10 to 30 seconds, sometimes longer.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #278 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:59am

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

I'm sure Gandalf is glad to have you on the team.

Gandalf doesn't support non-stunned slaughter. Nor does he support nonsense unsubtantiated claims that is contradicted by the evidence.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

In the text I quoted immediately above the question. It was ambiguous, hence the question.

Read again. It has nothing to do with government. Halal certification in Australian domestic markets have no government involvement - inside or outside.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53287 At my desk.	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #279 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 1:52pm So what did you mean by 'nationally recognised'?
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Reply #280 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 2:34pm

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

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Halal supporters want to have animals killed by someone sweet-talking an animal with "Bismallah, Allahu Ackbar" soft chants. Then when the animal is calm enough, the person slits their throats, and lets the animal die over a few minutes.

Thats pretty much nonsense, cutting the blood supply to the brain by slitting the throat does not take minutes for the animal to die but seconds. Secondly, loss of brain function is instantaneous, there is no pain. Lets inject some fact into this argument.

Depends on the size of the animal. Humans can take IIRC up to 60 seconds to bleed to death. I'm sure something the size of cattle takes longer. It is though, I agree apparently quite painless. Just an ebbing away of consciousness.

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Reply #281 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Is this your own theory?

negative. fact. I do however have some personal experience. I have cut off blood flow to quite a number of human brains, none of them have reported any pain from the event afterwards. Unconsciousness was instantaneous.

Really? And under what circumstance did that occur?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53287 At my desk.	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #282 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 2:41pm Throat cutting is not recommended for cattle as their brain has additional blood supplies.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #283 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 3:41pm freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 1:52pm: So what did you mean by 'nationally recognised'? err a certifying body that is nationally recognised.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53287 At my desk.	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #284 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 4:21pm Righto. Glad we sorted that one out.
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