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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #120 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

I am against halal food for the simple reason I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse.

Having said that kudos to the religion of peace in winkling money from secularists just doing their grocery shopping.

Having further said that, it is a fickle thing, and any manufacturer who hoists there petard to islamic funding would need to be aware that the worm can turn at any time, just one bomb away or revelations or missaproriation of halal money to funding religion of peace inspired murder and mayhem...

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Reply #121 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

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Yes FD, overall sales will have to be worth more than overall costs - otherwise the business will go broke. But that is not the same thing as saying that all costs are definitely passed down.

Yes it is Gandalf.

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For example certification costs could change the end profit of a given product from (say) $10 to $9 if the cost is not passed on. There are many reasons why a business would accept this sort of hit to their profit - market share, remaining competitive etc.

But not because this particular cost is somehow different from every other cost of doing business. And if the same cost is borne by their competitors, the 'remaining competitive argument does not apply either.

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The point is, if the business is efficient and profitable enough to start with, they can afford to be burdened with additional production costs without impacting the end price.

Of course they can afford it. They could abandon all their profits in the name of not passing individual costs costs. But they won't, because they are a business, not a charity.

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the producer makes the strategic decision not to pass on the new production cost

That is not a strategic decision. That is muddled thinking from someone who would say anything to keep the halal spin machine turning. I get that it is possible. It was your strawman that I said it was impossible.

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he does this because he considers that increasing the price by $2 would make him uncompetitive

Here is your muddled thinking Gandalf.

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but the payoff is an anticipated surge in profits - even above his previous $10 - that comes from increasing his market.

Here it is again Gandalf. Sacrificing 20% of your profit margin is not going to lead to a surge in profits unless you had priced the product incorrectly to begin with - in which case it has nothing at all to do with the Halal rort to begin with.

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FD's up to his old tricks of focusing on one isolated example

It is a halal rort Gandalf. Of course I am going to choose the most transparent example.

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pretending that he doesn't know that we are obviously talking about the domestic market.

Earth to Gandalf: read the opening post.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 154448 Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #122 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:55pm Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm: ... I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse. ... Why?
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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #123 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

... I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse.
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Why?

I don't like funding superstitions or religion, if I wanted to donate to a church I would. And I will preempt your come back and yes I am too lazy to check and disregard halal registrations, it is almost universal now anyway.

As I already noted, kudos to the religion of peace for appealing to the profit motive of big business and sourcing funding from atheists and God botherers alike. All credit to them.

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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #124 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:11pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

... I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse.
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Why?

I don't like funding superstitions or religion ...

Why not?

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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #125 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

... I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse.
...

Why?

I don't like funding superstitions or religion ...

Why not?

Because I think organised religion has been a blight on humanity, I do not believe in God and I would rather not fund its expansion.

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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #127 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

... I am against anything that provides funding for believers in sky pixies and anything that provides said believers tools to further prostelyse.
...

Why?

I don't like funding superstitions or religion ...

Why not?

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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #128 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:18pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

... I am too lazy to check and disregard halal registrations, it is almost universal now anyway.

I just had a good look through my pantry and fridge.

I could not find a single product that was certified Halal.

Not one.

"universal"? Undecided

Good for you. Here, have a non halal peanut to complete your collection. Roll Eyes

You forgot the almost, which means not everything. You also forgot an objection to funding religion by doing a shop at woolies.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53275 At my desk.	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #129 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:25pm He also forgot the bit about funding religion by government decree and foreign governments establishing extortionist monopolies within Australia.
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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #130 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:18pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

... I am too lazy to check and disregard halal registrations, it is almost universal now anyway.

I just had a good look through my pantry and fridge.

I could not find a single product that was certified Halal.

Not one.

"universal"? Undecided

Good for you.

Don't you find it strange, though?

You said that it's "universal", however, I can't find a single product in my house that is Halal certified.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'hyperbole'?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 154448 Gender:	Re: solution to halal scam Reply #132 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:38pm freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:35pm: Greg likes to boil it down to the important points. Indeed. Apparently it's "universal", yet I have no products at all in my house that are Halal certified. Don't you think that's a little strange?
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Reply #133 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:18pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

... I am too lazy to check and disregard halal registrations, it is almost universal now anyway.

I just had a good look through my pantry and fridge.

I could not find a single product that was certified Halal.

Not one.

"universal"? Undecided

Good for you.

Don't you find it strange, though?

You said that it's "universal", however, I can't find a single product in my house that is Halal certified.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'hyperbole'?

I said almost. And it is pronounced hyper bowl. Grin

And I note your repeated attempt to deflect my objection to funding religion by shopping at woolies based on the contents of your fridge. Roll Eyes

a dopy a counterpoint as I have ever heard.

You may be happy to fund religion. I am not.

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Re: solution to halal scam
Reply #134 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:49pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

And I note your repeated attempt to deflect my objection to funding religion by shopping at woolies based on the contents of your fridge.

Are you suggesting that an Australian shopping at Woolworths (or Coles) is not "almost universal"?

What percentage of the products in your fridge and pantry are Halal certified?

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