Raven wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:


I don't want to export to them.  I'd rather our food stay in Australia.

Anyway, what are we exporting that needs. Certification and is worth billions?

rhino wrote on May 22^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm:


So you think if you buy halal you are being forced to conform to islam?

 

The only thing the certificate does is let muslims know the thing they are buying is safe for them to eat. It is no different than kosher.

Wake up man

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:


Australia imposes its standards on anything imported into Australia.  All cars and electrical appliances have to comply with those safety standards.  All construction metal imported must comply to Australian standards.  Are we imposing our standards on other nations' manufacturers?  Damn right we are.  All Halal asks for is that there be no blood, no alcohol and that the animals be slaughtered in an acceptable fashion and the machinery is cleaned correctly.   Don't see what your problem is.  You'd better demand we stop importing anything into Australian then!  It is a two way street FD!

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:


Yet we impose food safety standards on imported food FD!  Whats the difference between Halal and making food safe to eat?   

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Better to charities than in the pockets of greedy capitalists, hey FD? 

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One is a religious requirement, one is a safety requirement? What exactly are you having difficulty comprehending?

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I don't consider it a real charity if the government forces you to hand them money. I'd rather keep the money myself.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:


You are not handing them money, the cost of the certification is so low the price is not passed on to the consumer. Coles have even said halal certification actually lowers prices for consumers because it increases the market.

Raven wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:


All lies according to FD. It is literally impossible that a cost is not passed down to the consumer in FD world. Not that he needs any sort of evidence to prove that what Coles (as well as the Australian Meat Industry) says is a lie - see he thinks for himself and defers to common sense.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:


Yes FD, overall sales will have to be worth more than overall costs - otherwise the business will go broke. But that is not the same thing as saying that all costs are definitely passed down. For example certification costs could change the end profit of a given product from (say) $10 to $9 if the cost is not passed on. There are many reasons why a business would accept this sort of hit to their profit - market share, remaining competitive etc. The point is, if the business is efficient and profitable enough to start with, they can afford to be burdened with additional production costs without impacting the end price.

Let me spell it out for you FD with a simple example:

- product x sells for $20 - and the profit for the producer is $10
- the producer takes on a new production cost which works out to be $2 per product
- this new cost enables the producer to enter a new market - increasing his overall sales
- the producer makes the strategic decision not to pass on the new production cost - reducing his profit margin from $10 to $8 per product
- he does this because he considers that increasing the price by $2 would make him uncompetitive
- but the payoff is an anticipated surge in profits - even above his previous $10 - that comes from increasing his market.

You can replace "product x" with "halal certification" - though of course the cost would be infinitely smaller that this example.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:


FD's up to his old tricks of focusing on one isolated example related to the beef export market to Indonesia - pretending that he doesn't know that we are obviously talking about the domestic market.