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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #45 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:44am

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Vuk11 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Rubbish. You grant implicit permission for being taxed by living here. If you want to revoke your permission and want to live in a country where a government doesn't raise enough taxes for the people's needs, emigrate to Somalia.

Woooow move to Somalia and the social contract myth in one post! Hang on let me just get my statist bingo card out. Wink

You know there's no logic to what you just said right? We on the internet call that trolling.
I kindly ask you as the advocate of coercion, force and violence to prove this implicit social contract.

A typical idiotic response from you. Starting with the ridiculous proposal that tax is "taking from people without permission" ... and all downhill from there.

Then please....enlighten me.....how is it voluntary with permission? Pro Tip: It's not.

A quick question also, if I explicitly reject this "social contract" why must I without harming anyone move across the world to another state (or stateless Antarctica)? What legitimacy does a fictitious entity like the state have in claiming ownership over anything much less the right to use force and coercion over people within it's arbitrarily drawn lines? (ie the geographic area the gang operates)

PS. Throwing around adjectives like "idiotic" or "ridiculous" does not count as a logical rebuttal or proof of anything.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: The myth of Coalition economic management Reply #46 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 6:38am Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Once the government has raised funds, the money belongs to the government to do with as it sees fit. Hilarious. So if a government decides it's gas chambers for "progressives" and leftards?
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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #47 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:06am

Vuk11 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:44am:

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Vuk11 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Rubbish. You grant implicit permission for being taxed by living here. If you want to revoke your permission and want to live in a country where a government doesn't raise enough taxes for the people's needs, emigrate to Somalia.

Woooow move to Somalia and the social contract myth in one post! Hang on let me just get my statist bingo card out. Wink

You know there's no logic to what you just said right? We on the internet call that trolling.
I kindly ask you as the advocate of coercion, force and violence to prove this implicit social contract.

A typical idiotic response from you. Starting with the ridiculous proposal that tax is "taking from people without permission" ... and all downhill from there.

Then please....enlighten me.....how is it voluntary with permission? Pro Tip: It's not.

A quick question also, if I explicitly reject this "social contract" why must I without harming anyone move across the world to another state (or stateless Antarctica)? What legitimacy does a fictitious entity like the state have in claiming ownership over anything much less the right to use force and coercion over people within it's arbitrarily drawn lines? (ie the geographic area the gang operates)

PS. Throwing around adjectives like "idiotic" or "ridiculous" does not count as a logical rebuttal or proof of anything.

Because it IS ridiculous. If you don't like having silly arguments being called out for what they are, don't post them.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #48 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:07am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Once the government has raised funds, the money belongs to the government to do with as it sees fit.

Hilarious. So if a government decides it's gas chambers for "progressives" and leftards?

You would be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #49 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

Bam wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

Because it IS ridiculous. If you don't like having silly arguments being called out for what they are, don't post them.

The last vestige of someone with no argument is to hurl insults and adjectives.

If it's ridiculous then you should have no trouble proving your point and rebutting mine.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #50 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

Bam wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:07am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Bam wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Once the government has raised funds, the money belongs to the government to do with as it sees fit.

Hilarious. So if a government decides it's gas chambers for "progressives" and leftards?

You would be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #51 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:32pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

Because it goes against every Australian and international law, that's why. You didn't think it through did you?

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #52 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:36pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

Because it goes against every Australian and international law, that's why. You didn't think it through did you?

Bam made the original claim.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #53 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:38pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

Because it goes against every Australian and international law, that's why. You didn't think it through did you?

Bam made the original claim.

Bam didn't take it to ridiculous extremes.

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Our esteemed leader:
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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #54 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

Because it goes against every Australian and international law, that's why. You didn't think it through did you?

Bam made the original claim.

Bam didn't take it to ridiculous extremes.

Then he should have made a caveat.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #55 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:43pm

Kat wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

If a government (ANY government) has a surplus, it means one of only two things...

Either they are not spending enough

OR

They are over-taxing.

Or both.

A surplus is not, nor was it ever, the be-all and end-all of economics.

Agreed. A surplus is actually a waste of opportunity. It means that there are infrastructure that could be built that is not.

Kat wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

FAR better to have a serviceable debt and real spending on building the nation.

Debt is also a waste - a waste of money. Debt comes with interest repayments.

The best scenario is that the government spends exactly what it accrues. Borrowing money should only be done in absolute emergencies.

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Abbott promised no tax hikes & no cuts to the ABC

There's a 'budget emergency', so we will give $9 billion to the Reserve Bank, spend $12 billion on some dubious jets, $2 billion to bomb Iraq, etc.

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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #56 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:22pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Answer the question. If a government can use the money as it sees fit, then how can you argue against gas chambers for leftards? You didn't think this through, did you.

Because it goes against every Australian and international law, that's why. You didn't think it through did you?

Bam made the original claim.

Bam didn't take it to ridiculous extremes.

Then he should have made a caveat.

he probably thought he was talking to adults .... his mistake

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: The myth of Coalition economic management Reply #57 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:25pm Counts you out.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The myth of Coalition economic management Reply #58 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:28pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:25pm: Counts you out. irrelevant .... he wasn't talking to me anyway.
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Re: The myth of Coalition economic management
Reply #59 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:37pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

That was a rhetorical question, St George. It’s Armchair’s default response to any government criticism.

I am not letting any Lib supporter get away with lies and bulldust!

Howard and Costello fed a red hot credit–fuelled real estate boom and p!ssed up against the wall the $350Bn of boom time revenues. The tax cuts and wealthfare the two idiots built into the Budget make achieving a surplus impossible until they are removed. Gillard/Swan did what they could from minority govt, the shambles is flailing around cluelessly and in doing so destroyed the NBN and the renewable energy sector that offered a way forward to a non–mining dominated economy.

Yes, but Labor were in power for 6 years, so that trumps everything you just said.

This is a universal get out of jail card that the adults in charge should be able to use till at least 2083.

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