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Nietzsche Was Right: There Is No Right and Wrong (Read 12628 times)
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Reply #15 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 12:08am
 
issuevoter wrote on Apr 6th, 2015 at 8:51pm:
Nietzsche may well have been right, but I don't see why truth, or even a stab at it, has to be so long winded other than to satisfy academics.


He may have been right for his particular situation,  and yes I agree that the more explanation required, the more he needs to answer to himself.
Humanity doesn't do well relying on self-serving dimwits who lack conscience.
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Reply #16 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:01am
 
How could he be right if there is no right and wrong?

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Reply #17 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:13am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:01am:
How could he be right if there is no right and wrong?

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It's funny 'cause it's true.

Obviously there are right and wrong ways in regards to the welfare of the human race.
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Reply #18 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:22am
 
Amadd wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:13am:
Soren wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:01am:
How could he be right if there is no right and wrong?

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It's funny 'cause it's true.

Obviously there are right and wrong ways in regards to the welfare of the human race.




Nah.

Its just a malicious rumour.

Spread by 'others', to try to elicit some expected benefit to others.        Tongue

Right,       ...and wrong ?

Nah, such a concept, is a conspiracy, to try to control human behaviour,      and thereby limit our human potential.




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Reply #19 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:17pm
 
Then at least some of the religious and non-religious can agree on this one that Nietzsche was a dickhead?  Grin
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Reply #20 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:43am
 
I'll refer to my mother, who told me when I was quite young .. there is no right or wrong. Only thinking makes it so.

I've thought about that quite a lot over the years. I came to agree. It is all relative to the circumstances. Smiley





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Reply #21 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 2:21pm
 
I have no knowledge of Nietzsche but no matter.
Good people, which is fundamentally most people, know what is right & wrong when it comes down to it.
That is not to say they know the answer to everything in an academic context for example. But in terms of moral issues or the law of survival, they know what is right.
This I believe.
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Reply #22 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:20am
 
Emma wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:43am:
there is no right or wrong. Only thinking makes it so.

I've thought about that quite a lot over the years. I came to agree. It is all relative to the circumstances. Smiley




Ah, there is no right or wrong, only relativised self-regard and self-referential subjectivity.
But it is wrong.
You could not have a justice system if this tosh was actually true, or a functioning transport or education or  industrial system.

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Reply #23 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 9:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:20am:
Emma wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:43am:
there is no right or wrong. Only thinking makes it so.

I've thought about that quite a lot over the years. I came to agree. It is all relative to the circumstances. Smiley




Ah, there is no right or wrong, only relativised self-regard and self-referential subjectivity.
But it is wrong.
You could not have a justice system if this tosh was actually true, or a functioning transport or education or  industrial system.


This is so.
Perhaps ..I mean everything can be right or wrong, depending on your cultural norms.
For example, I think locking up refugees like POWs is wrong, but Abbott and Co. think it is right.
I think freedom of choice is right, but Abbott and Co. think it is wrong.

I think owning weapons for personal protection is right, but others think it is wrong.

Get the idea.?



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Reply #24 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:01pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 6:00am:
issuevoter wrote on Apr 6th, 2015 at 8:51pm:
Nietzsche may well have been right, but I don't see why truth, or even a stab at it, has to be so long winded other than to satisfy academics.


Academics abandoned truth back in the 1960s. Now we have "narratives", "discourses" or "power structures".



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Reply #25 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:27am
 
Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 12:56pm:
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Nietzsche Was Right: There Is No Right and Wrong

That's rights!!!

No, wait... that's wrong!

No, wait....



Nietzsche was sure he was right when he said there is no right or wrong and anyone who thought otherwise was sure to be wrong. 

No wonder his mind collapsed at the sight of a suffering horse (a wrong)




Is that why he died a pathetic and insane reclusive nutter?


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Reply #26 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
Nietzsche isn't all bad. His criticisms of equality are spot on.
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Reply #27 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:59pm
 
Emma wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 9:58pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:20am:
Emma wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:43am:
there is no right or wrong. Only thinking makes it so.

I've thought about that quite a lot over the years. I came to agree. It is all relative to the circumstances. Smiley




Ah, there is no right or wrong, only relativised self-regard and self-referential subjectivity.
But it is wrong.
You could not have a justice system if this tosh was actually true, or a functioning transport or education or  industrial system.


This is so.
Perhaps ..I mean everything can be right or wrong, depending on your cultural norms.
For example, I think locking up refugees like POWs is wrong, but Abbott and Co. think it is right.
I think freedom of choice is right, but Abbott and Co. think it is wrong.

I think owning weapons for personal protection is right, but others think it is wrong.

Get the idea.?




I think it is a good example of contemporary narcissism. There is an element of purported generosity and open-mindedness to it but in reality it is faked.
It is really an inability to accept that you may be wrong and judging things by your own lights may not be the best way.   Take your own sign off, for example. Piss off , please, you say, and then post "I mean everything can be right or wrong, depending on your cultural norms".


The worst thing about this narcissism, though, is that it relativises good arguments just as much as it does bad ones and so there is no accepted and shared grounds of reasoning that would allow the distinction.

And if we do not have a shared, common ground of discourse whereby ideas can be weighed and judged, total fragmentation and atomisation of society is just around the corner.

But for narcissists that is a price worth paying. To them any price is worth paying.


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Reply #28 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:40pm:
Nietzsche isn't all bad. His criticisms of equality are spot on.

Not a thing you can say if you accept what is nothing more than a linguistic paradox that he was taken in by: there is no right or wrong.

He also said that there are no such things as facts, only interpretations, which is the same sort of elegant-looking quip that appeals to the young and young at heart but which  turns out to be a load of nonsense.

Johnson refuted Bishop Berkeley's similar relativising attempts by kicking a stone, demonstrating that facts, like material objects, exist. Nietzsche didn't read Boswell.

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Reply #29 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:09pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:27am:
Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 12:56pm:
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Nietzsche Was Right: There Is No Right and Wrong

That's rights!!!

No, wait... that's wrong!

No, wait....



Nietzsche was sure he was right when he said there is no right or wrong and anyone who thought otherwise was sure to be wrong. 

No wonder his mind collapsed at the sight of a suffering horse (a wrong)




Is that why he died a pathetic and insane reclusive nutter?



Well, that is imposed hindsight I couldn't resist. Actually he was a syphilitic and that's what made him mad and eventually killed him.
But a suffering horse breaking his heart is both a deeply moving event and testament to his solidly humane and good qualities as a person - and also a tragically telling refutation of his lucid ideas.
I have taken to heart only one of his many excellent aphorisms: a pupil repays his master poorly if he remains a pupil.
So I am not a pupil of Nietzsche.
And am.
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