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Mar 11^th, 2015 at 9:23am

Im calling it. Fess up already . No more pseudo science. Work together or forever be silent.

Whoops! Study shows huge basic errors found in CMIP5 climate models

It was just yesterday that we highlighted this unrealistic claim from CMIP5 models: Laughable modeling study claims: in the middle of ‘the pause’, ‘climate is starting to change faster’. Now it seems that there is a major flaw in how the CMIP5 models treat incoming solar radiation, causing up to 30 Watts per square meter of spurious variations. To give you an idea of just how much of an error that is, the radiative forcing claimed to exist from carbon dioxide increases is said to be about 1.68 watts per square meter, a value about 18 times smaller than the error in the CMIP5 models!

New paper finds large calculation errors of solar radiation at the top of the atmosphere in climate models

A new paper published in Geophysical Research Letters finds astonishingly large errors in the most widely used ‘state of the art’ climate models due to incorrect calculation of solar radiation and the solar zenith angle at the top of the atmosphere.

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Annual incident solar radiation at the top of atmosphere (TOA) should be independent of longitudes. However, in many Coupled Model Intercomparison Project phase 5 (CMIP5) models, we find that the incident radiation exhibited zonal oscillations, with up to 30 W/m2 of spurious variations. This feature can affect the interpretation of regional climate and diurnal variation of CMIP5 results.

The alleged radiative forcing from all man-made CO2 generated since 1750 is claimed by the IPCC to be 1.68 W/m2. By way of comparison, the up to 30 W/m2 of “spurious variations” from

incorrect calculation of solar zenith angle discovered by the authors is up to 18 times larger than the total alleged CO2 forcing since 1750

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21667 Gender:	Re: Im calling it. Fess up already . No more pseudo sc Reply #1 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 11:59am But the IPCC only has doubts about the climate predictions projections prognostications in the short term. They have absolute confidence in the long term whatever the term is now.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Im calling it. Fess up already . No more pseudo sc Reply #2 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Im calling it. Fess up already . No more pseudo sc Reply #3 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:42pm http://www.aip.org/history/climate/links.htm
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Reply #4 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

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Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

That would appear to be a direct quote, "..but from whom?", the whole forum asks in unison

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Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

That would appear to be a direct quote, "..but from whom?", the whole forum asks in unison

You don't know how to do a google word search??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 4:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

That would appear to be a direct quote, "..but from whom?", the whole forum asks in unison

You don't know how to do a google word search??

Just admit you're sly and the forum will give a collective wry grin at your forced humility Grin

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Im calling it. Fess up already . No more pseudo sc Reply #8 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 5:44pm
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Reply #9 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

That would appear to be a direct quote, "..but from whom?", the whole forum asks in unison

You don't know how to do a google word search??

Just admit you're sly and the forum will give a collective wry grin at your forced humility Grin

Ok, since you can't find it..
http://sppiblog.org/news/the-truth-about-desmogblog-and-sourchwatch

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am

have you found any articles or identified a scientific theory which shows that the average Global temperature will decrease as CO2 levels increase in the earths atmosphere?

What about global surface temperature being independent of atmospheric CO2 concentration? Any luck on that front,.

There seems to be a lot of scientific evidence and theoretical support that the earth will warm as CO2 concentration increases in the earths atmosphere.

And if the earth warms up, there will be changes to the earths climate and every other ecological and biological system.

The crap that you spew out seems to be aired on the internet only. Funny that isnt it. Why not put together a article and submit through the scientific peer reviiew process?

Oh whats wrong, cant you handle genuine scrutiny?

You need to hide in the dungeons of the internet to vomit out the BS

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Reply #11 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:11am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

have you found any articles or identified a scientific theory which shows that the average Global temperature will decrease as CO2 levels increase in the earths atmosphere?

What about global surface temperature being independent of atmospheric CO2 concentration? Any luck on that front,.

There seems to be a lot of scientific evidence and theoretical support that the earth will warm as CO2 concentration increases in the earths atmosphere.

And if the earth warms up, there will be changes to the earths climate and every other ecological and biological system.

The crap that you spew out seems to be aired on the internet only. Funny that isnt it. Why not put together a article and submit through the scientific peer reviiew process?

Oh whats wrong, cant you handle genuine scrutiny?

You need to hide in the dungeons of the internet to vomit out the BS

At least one part of your post is true...
The Earth warming will indeed be changes to the climate and ecological and biological systems. And if Co2 increases as a result of that warming, then plant life will increase in abundance and health (since Co2 is, after all, plant food).

But I notice you still haven't managed to provide any empirical or real world evidence that Co2 is a cause of warming..

The article in the wattsup link, IS from a peer reviewed journal, and was written by scientists..

Oh, and pot-kettle Grin

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #12 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 11:01am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts

"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. "

That would appear to be a direct quote, "..but from whom?", the whole forum asks in unison

You don't know how to do a google word search??

Just admit you're sly and the forum will give a collective wry grin at your forced humility Grin

Ok, since you can't find it..
http://sppiblog.org/news/the-truth-about-desmogblog-and-sourchwatch

"Their articles frequently reference unreliable sources such as Wikipedia.."(Did you conveniently forget to include this part from the same opeing paragraph!??!)

It's a fact wikipedia is used by professionals!

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Reply #13 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

have you found any articles or identified a scientific theory which shows that the average Global temperature will decrease as CO2 levels increase in the earths atmosphere?

What about global surface temperature being independent of atmospheric CO2 concentration? Any luck on that front,.

There seems to be a lot of scientific evidence and theoretical support that the earth will warm as CO2 concentration increases in the earths atmosphere.

And if the earth warms up, there will be changes to the earths climate and every other ecological and biological system.

The crap that you spew out seems to be aired on the internet only. Funny that isnt it. Why not put together a article and submit through the scientific peer reviiew process?

Oh whats wrong, cant you handle genuine scrutiny?

You need to hide in the dungeons of the internet to vomit out the BS

At least one part of your post is true...
The Earth warming will indeed be changes to the climate and ecological and biological systems. And if Co2 increases as a result of that warming, then plant life will increase in abundance and health (since Co2 is, after all, plant food).

But I notice you still haven't managed to provide any empirical or real world evidence that Co2 is a cause of warming..

The article in the wattsup link, IS from a peer reviewed journal, and was written by scientists..

Oh, and pot-kettle Grin

indulis at 12:00 PM on 16 July, 2010
Agriculture negatives- More CO2 produces lower protein levels in the plants, so a larger quantity is needed to provide the same amount of protein.
"Despite the large body of research on the effect of elevated CO2 on primary productivity, few studies consider the overall nutritional value of plants."

More CO2 also produces more cyanide in the plant, while at the same time lowering protein in the plant. Animal and human tolerance to cyanide is reduced by lower levels of protein. Coupled with reduced protein levels per plant, this makes plants more toxic.

Paper "Changes in Nutritional Value of Cyanogenic Trifolium repens
Grown at Elevated Atmospheric CO2"
Overview of this research from Monash University
Audio and transcript from ABC Science Show interview with Roslyn M. Gleadow

source: comment 30, http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=1&t=364&&a=50

NB: there is plenty of other commentary regarding the fact CO2 is not the only limiting factor in plant growth... how does extra CO2 supply more nutrients and water for one? For two, why should all plants react in a positive manner to extra CO2 which of course some do...!??!

Gizmo needs a reality check Cheesy

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Reply #14 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 11:11am

I believe in Climate change but i dont believe in the Alarmism the greenies and IPCC indulge in. Yes Climate change is a problem, yes CO2 is a greenhouse gas that contributes to warming but its clear that its not as significant of a factor as they said it was. And the Human factor is also highly debatable, the percentage of CO2 is so small that its insignificant compared to other green house gases.

For example, when it was getting hot they all said its Global warming! Then it started getting cold they said "Well part of Global Warming is that Winters get colder and SUmmers get hotter" but then we started having Summers that are Colder and Winters that are Warmer, then they said "Its Extreme Climate change" with no clear definition of "extreme"

And now we have record winters and freezing in the Northern hemisphere, summers have also gotten colder in many areas but they can't explain it, they just go back to their open ended two words "Climate Change"

on top of that, now every hurricane, cyclone, earthquake, etc is being blamed on Climate Change / Global warming even though the top IPCC scientist said that its "impossible" to prove if a certain extreme weather even is related to Warming.

Latest predictions span 100-500 years, that way we can never criticize them as you can never prove if they are wrong unless you wait 100 years.

The Media loves doom and gloom so they will pump this forever and unfortunately our Governments will keep imposing Green Taxes and put us back to stone age. We are paying the price with extremely high energy costs and lower standard of living.

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