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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal. Reply #90 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm ....
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #91 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

Not a convincing argument I'm afraid. "We've really trashed the world to "possibly" tipping point, so we may as well completely trash it". Don't you see, jobs don't count for sh!t. We can work around that. But this world is the only world we know of within our reach that can sustain life. You cant get it back once its gone. The only sensible thing to do is to take every precaution to protect it. Because it is life and the jobs and cars and holidays are only possible because of it.

I'm not trying to convince you, your mind was made up long ago ... I'm just calling it as I see it, the greens are loony fringe dwellers.

And I'm saying that if you focus on what's at stake it's not their position that's looney. It all comes down to whether you accept the science or not. If you do, then all you have said thus far against the Greens position simply does not follow logically or sensibly.

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Reply #92 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:15pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

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St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Wow, what an avoidance of responsibility!

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Take your whinge to the ones responsible, Liberal and Labor.

Ummm the ones responsible for voting down Rudd’s CPRS were Liberal, Nats

and Greens.

The Greens then insist on a long fixed price ETS, hence Abbott could scrap the ETS real easy and as a result, as I said, that we have no Carbon Price now. Just how many years have we lost due to the Conservative Parties Libs, Greens and Nats?

Greens voted it down because they don't vote for failure. Labor negotiated with the Libs, so to create a smoke screen and this is why they refused to take it to a DD. Voters would of realised the Labor scam.

The Labor model had no price signal ($1 a tonne of pollution), bulk taxpayer's cash in free money for the big polluters, and would of costed billions in tax payers cash to retrofix.

Labor designed it so to get the conservative Liberal party denialists onside and joined in on the scam.

Greens don't support Labor's recipe of taxpayer's cash wasted while attaining nothing for the environment.

It wasn't an ETS on offer, it was a Labor scam.

And now we got nothing for all your pretty words and blame shifting. We have nothing at all. Thanks Greens.

We have nothing because that is what labor was offering ... nothing ... besides the usual labor created debt to taxpayers for nothing.

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Reply #93 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:34pm

Blah blah blah

Climate change os at a tipping point! {Panic!}

But the Greens don’t really care—can’t ask their innercity professionals to pay more tax or anything.

So crap on endlessly, do futile things like call for coal mines to be shut (think of the chaos!) because that is being trendy and environmental and groovy and stuff. And useless.

I want Muso as GMod. Bring back Muso!

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