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Reply #75 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #76 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:24pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #77 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:32pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!

We have no carbon price because Labor refused to take the greatest moral issue to a DD and so paved the way for the abbott mob.

no, we have no carbon tax because the green prefer idealism to results ...

Greens were not part of the Labor Liberal Deal. The deal that collapses and then Labor refused to take the issue to a DD.

Take your whinge to the ones responsible, Liberal and Labor.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #78 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:33pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!

If renewable energy becomes cheaper and more efficient to use then it will replace coal. Until then, Australia should be exploiting it to keep people in jobs.

It's already cheaper

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

Unfortunately the billions tax payers have to pay to the coal industry to subsides coal, so undercutting the cheaper renewables.

All these taxes could go towards lowering the deficit yet Labor nor Liberal want a balanced budget.

You haven't taken your anti-delusion pill today have you? Cheesy

I understand I trumped you with facts and so personal abuse is your only attempt at saving some face.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #79 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!

If renewable energy becomes cheaper and more efficient to use then it will replace coal. Until then, Australia should be exploiting it to keep people in jobs.

It's already cheaper

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

Unfortunately the billions tax payers have to pay to the coal industry to subsides coal, so undercutting the cheaper renewables.

All these taxes could go towards lowering the deficit yet Labor nor Liberal want a balanced budget.

You haven't taken your anti-delusion pill today have you? Cheesy

I understand I trumped you with facts and so personal abuse is your only attempt at saving some face.

It is Sunday so maybe your delusion pill doesn't work without penalty rates... Cheesy

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #80 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:39pm

Wow, what an avoidance of responsibility!

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Take your whinge to the ones responsible, Liberal and Labor.

Ummm the ones responsible for voting down Rudd’s CPRS were Liberal, Nats

and Greens.

The Greens then insist on a long fixed price ETS, hence Abbott could scrap the ETS real easy and as a result, as I said, that we have no Carbon Price now. Just how many years have we lost due to the Conservative Parties Libs, Greens and Nats?

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #81 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #82 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:18pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Wow, what an avoidance of responsibility!

Quote:

Take your whinge to the ones responsible, Liberal and Labor.

Ummm the ones responsible for voting down Rudd’s CPRS were Liberal, Nats

and Greens.

The Greens then insist on a long fixed price ETS, hence Abbott could scrap the ETS real easy and as a result, as I said, that we have no Carbon Price now. Just how many years have we lost due to the Conservative Parties Libs, Greens and Nats?

Greens voted it down because they don't vote for failure. Labor negotiated with the Libs, so to create a smoke screen and this is why they refused to take it to a DD. Voters would of realised the Labor scam.

The Labor model had no price signal ($1 a tonne of pollution), bulk taxpayer's cash in free money for the big polluters, and would of costed billions in tax payers cash to retrofix.

Labor designed it so to get the conservative Liberal party denialists onside and joined in on the scam.

Greens don't support Labor's recipe of taxpayer's cash wasted while attaining nothing for the environment.

It wasn't an ETS on offer, it was a Labor scam.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #83 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:21pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

"If" ... and what if we are close and Greens are the only political vehicle for voters so to avoid the worse case scenario.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #84 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

Not a convincing argument I'm afraid. "We've really trashed the world to "possibly" tipping point, so we may as well completely trash it". Don't you see, jobs don't count for sh!t. We can work around that. But this world is the only world we know of within our reach that can sustain life. You cant get it back once its gone. The only sensible thing to do is to take every precaution to protect it. Because it is life and the jobs and cars and holidays are only possible because of it.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #85 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

Not a convincing argument I'm afraid. "We've really trashed the world to "possibly" tipping point, so we may as well completely trash it". Don't you see, jobs don't count for sh!t. We can work around that. But this world is the only world we know of within our reach that can sustain life. You cant get it back once its gone. The only sensible thing to do is to take every precaution to protect it. Because it is life and the jobs and cars and holidays are only possible because of it.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #86 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

"If" ... and what if we are close and Greens are the only political vehicle for voters so to avoid the worse case scenario.

make up your mind, you can't have it both ways ... if were not then no need to set a deadline is there Cheesy

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #87 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date' will not be painless.

But I have read and heard many climate scientists who say we may have already passed the tipping pointy and from here on in the effects of continuing to to burn fossil fuels is only going to make a catastrophic situation worse. IF that's what a majority of climate experts are saying I don't see how we have much choice but to support the Greens policy and do what we can to limit and share the pain.

if we've already passed tipping point then it's to late already, especially since none of the other countries will close down all their mining. Sure, we lead by example, but the greens are cutting off their nose to spite their face

Not a convincing argument I'm afraid. "We've really trashed the world to "possibly" tipping point, so we may as well completely trash it". Don't you see, jobs don't count for sh!t. We can work around that. But this world is the only world we know of within our reach that can sustain life. You cant get it back once its gone. The only sensible thing to do is to take every precaution to protect it. Because it is life and the jobs and cars and holidays are only possible because of it.

I'm not trying to convince you, your mind was made up long ago ... I'm just calling it as I see it, the greens are loony fringe dwellers.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #88 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:37pm

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St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Wow, what an avoidance of responsibility!

Quote:

Take your whinge to the ones responsible, Liberal and Labor.

Ummm the ones responsible for voting down Rudd’s CPRS were Liberal, Nats

and Greens.

The Greens then insist on a long fixed price ETS, hence Abbott could scrap the ETS real easy and as a result, as I said, that we have no Carbon Price now. Just how many years have we lost due to the Conservative Parties Libs, Greens and Nats?

Greens voted it down because they don't vote for failure. Labor negotiated with the Libs, so to create a smoke screen and this is why they refused to take it to a DD. Voters would of realised the Labor scam.

The Labor model had no price signal ($1 a tonne of pollution), bulk taxpayer's cash in free money for the big polluters, and would of costed billions in tax payers cash to retrofix.

Labor designed it so to get the conservative Liberal party denialists onside and joined in on the scam.

Greens don't support Labor's recipe of taxpayer's cash wasted while attaining nothing for the environment.

It wasn't an ETS on offer, it was a Labor scam.

And now we got nothing for all your pretty words and blame shifting. We have nothing at all. Thanks Greens.

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