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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #60 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
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There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.




The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.


And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life.  IMO you need to get some perspective. 


So do you. The human species (and a lot of other types of life) are very much capable of adapting to variations in climate and temperature ( both 'extreme' heat and 'extreme' cold). To work yourself into hysteria over the (badly) predicted 2C to 5C rise in average temperature is really quite laughable.

First, your claim that we can adapt is speculation.  The science on the other hand is telling us is that there is a high likelihood that it will be catastrophic. Secondly, I'm not going to see my wonderful world distorted in ways that may or may not be for the better just because you have a primeval insatiable apatite for accumulating material wealth. 


No, it's backed up by historical evidence. Humans (or our ancestors)  first evolved under much warmer temperatures than currently exist, and probably warmer than the worst of the predictions, and humans managed to adapt to and survive during the last Glaciation, which was far colder than now.
Thanks for all your accumulated knowledge on this subject acquired in the last few years during the 5 minutes you could snatch here and there between jobs but I think on a matter as monumental as this I will rely on the opinion of the vast majority of climate experts. Also it is either the height of stupidity or sheer deception for you to say with confidence that climate change can be managed by us. Absurd!!!!   
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #61 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
No, it's backed up by historical evidence. Humans (or our ancestors)  first evolved under much warmer temperatures than currently exist, and probably warmer than the worst of the predictions, and humans managed to adapt to and survive during the last Glaciation, which was far colder than now.


That's why all the caveman greenies went extinct.  They all froze to death because they refused to burn coal.... Grin Cheesy
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Reply #62 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:36pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
No, it's backed up by historical evidence. Humans (or our ancestors)  first evolved under much warmer temperatures than currently exist, and probably warmer than the worst of the predictions, and humans managed to adapt to and survive during the last Glaciation, which was far colder than now.


That's why all the caveman greenies went extinct.  They all froze to death because they refused to burn coal.... Grin Cheesy
You've made it perfectly clear that your bottom line to all issues is $$$$$. For me, your opinion on these issues is of absolutely no worth.   
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Reply #63 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm
 
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!
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Reply #64 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:50pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!



We have no carbon price because Labor refused to take the greatest moral issue to a DD and so paved the way for the abbott mob.
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Reply #65 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!



We have no carbon price because Labor refused to take the greatest moral issue to a DD and so paved the way for the abbott mob. 
I'm sure Rudd regrets that he never took it to a DD, he would have won and we'd be in a very different place today. Perhaps the biggest mistake of his career.   
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #66 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!


If renewable energy becomes cheaper and more efficient to use then it will replace coal.  Until then, Australia should be exploiting it to keep people in jobs.

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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #67 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:54pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:53pm:
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!



We have no carbon price because Labor refused to take the greatest moral issue to a DD and so paved the way for the abbott mob. 
I'm sure Rudd regrets that he never took it to a DD, he would have won and we'd be in a very different place today. Perhaps the biggest mistake of his career.   


Yeah even broker and with more debt and unemploment
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #68 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:55pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
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John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
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John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:41pm:
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It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.



really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for?  Grin Grin Grin there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.



There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.



yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.



If we continue to push the climate out of the inhabitable zone for human civilisation via burning fossil fuels then yes. Food will be off the menu, as will be all those businesses and jobs connected.


really? all food will be of the menu if the weather goes up by 2 degrees? what planet are you on? My tomatoes would love it if it were one or two degrees warmer, as it is, they're dying because they're not had enough sun lately



2 degrees?
Where did you pull that from.



the same place you pull all your data from, my arse.
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #69 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!
George, if you believe in climate change, you are taking a pretty big responsibility on your shoulders, given whats at stake and your wild speculation that coal burning will die anyways. Indeed if you have no expertise in the field, except what you may read in your spare time I would say that its a pretty irresponsible position to take.      
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Reply #70 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:58pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!
George, if you believe in climate change, you are taking a pretty big responsibility on your shoulders, given whats at stake and your wild speculation that coal burning will die anyways. Indeed if you have no expertise in the field, except what you may read in your spare time I would say that its a pretty irresponsible position to take.      
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Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #71 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:58pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 3:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:41pm:
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.



really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for?  Grin Grin Grin there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.



There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.



yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.
The science tells us the world is facing a strong possibility of a catastrophic threat and that it may be too late unless we act quickly.  In those circumstances it doesn't make much sense to say yeah but we cant take any steps that may threaten jobs. I agree the burden of transition must be born by all of us but to simply continue as we are going because its the way we have been doing things up to now is not very sensible in view of the risk.


I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years
(yes i know you have)
.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years'  that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed  ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.
But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years.  If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible. 

change doesn't mean we stop all mining within 5 yrs. It's that sort of alarmist bullshit which the greens are renowned for, that keeps them on the fringes. The carbon tax was a good start, and yes, any transition should be as painless as possible ... stopping all mining by some predetermined 'due date'  will not be painless.
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Reply #72 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:58pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:53pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!


If renewable energy becomes cheaper and more efficient to use then it will replace coal.  Until then, Australia should be exploiting it to keep people in jobs.




It's already cheaper

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

Unfortunately the billions tax payers have to pay to the coal industry to subsides coal, so undercutting the cheaper renewables.

All these taxes could go towards lowering the deficit yet Labor nor Liberal want a balanced budget.

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Reply #73 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 5:03pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!



We have no carbon price because Labor refused to take the greatest moral issue to a DD and so paved the way for the abbott mob. 


no, we have no carbon tax because the green prefer idealism to results ...
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Reply #74 - Feb 8th, 2015 at 5:15pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:53pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
Idiotic policy. Coal is slowly dying anyway, concentrate on positive policies like renewable energy.

But the Greens don’t want that—hence we have no Carbon Price ATM—so bulldust about coal instead, that’s groooovy, man!


If renewable energy becomes cheaper and more efficient to use then it will replace coal.  Until then, Australia should be exploiting it to keep people in jobs.




It's already cheaper

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

Unfortunately the billions tax payers have to pay to the coal industry to subsides coal, so undercutting the cheaper renewables.

All these taxes could go towards lowering the deficit yet Labor nor Liberal want a balanced budget.



You haven't taken your anti-delusion pill today have you?  Cheesy

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