Australian Politics Forum - The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #45 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

Back to top

IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 77045
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #46 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #47 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

If we continue to push the climate out of the inhabitable zone for human civilisation via burning fossil fuels then yes. Food will be off the menu, as will be all those businesses and jobs connected.

Back to top

IP Logged

ImSpartacus2

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6913

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #48 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

The science tells us the world is facing a strong possibility of a catastrophic threat and that it may be too late unless we act quickly. In those circumstances it doesn't make much sense to say yeah but we cant take any steps that may threaten jobs. I agree the burden of transition must be born by all of us but to simply continue as we are going because its the way we have been doing things up to now is not very sensible in view of the risk.

Back to top

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 19466
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #49 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #50 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:43pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

100% of the agricultural sector is made up with live animal exports !!!

LOL

Back to top

IP Logged

ImSpartacus2

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6913

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #51 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life. IMO you need to get some perspective.

Back to top

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #52 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life. IMO you need to get some perspective.

So do you. The human species (and a lot of other types of life) are very much capable of adapting to variations in climate and temperature ( both 'extreme' heat and 'extreme' cold). To work yourself into hysteria over the (badly) predicted 2C to 5C rise in average temperature is really quite laughable.

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 77045
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #53 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

If we continue to push the climate out of the inhabitable zone for human civilisation via burning fossil fuels then yes. Food will be off the menu, as will be all those businesses and jobs connected.

really? all food will be of the menu if the weather goes up by 2 degrees? what planet are you on? My tomatoes would love it if it were one or two degrees warmer, as it is, they're dying because they're not had enough sun lately

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #54 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life. IMO you need to get some perspective.

So do you. The human species (and a lot of other types of life) are very much capable of adapting to variations in climate and temperature ( both 'extreme' heat and 'extreme' cold). To work yourself into hysteria over the (badly) predicted 2C to 5C rise in average temperature is really quite laughable.

Your qualifications to call CSIRO and BOM research bad?

Back to top

IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 77045
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #55 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

The science tells us the world is facing a strong possibility of a catastrophic threat and that it may be too late unless we act quickly. In those circumstances it doesn't make much sense to say yeah but we cant take any steps that may threaten jobs. I agree the burden of transition must be born by all of us but to simply continue as we are going because its the way we have been doing things up to now is not very sensible in view of the risk.

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years .. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

ImSpartacus2

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6913

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #56 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life. IMO you need to get some perspective.

So do you. The human species (and a lot of other types of life) are very much capable of adapting to variations in climate and temperature ( both 'extreme' heat and 'extreme' cold). To work yourself into hysteria over the (badly) predicted 2C to 5C rise in average temperature is really quite laughable.

First, your claim that we can adapt is speculation. The science on the other hand is telling us is that there is a high likelihood that it will be catastrophic. Secondly, I'm not going to see my wonderful world distorted in ways that may or may not be for the better just because you have a primeval insatiable apatite for accumulating material wealth.

Back to top

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #57 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

If we continue to push the climate out of the inhabitable zone for human civilisation via burning fossil fuels then yes. Food will be off the menu, as will be all those businesses and jobs connected.

really? all food will be of the menu if the weather goes up by 2 degrees? what planet are you on? My tomatoes would love it if it were one or two degrees warmer, as it is, they're dying because they're not had enough sun lately

2 degrees?
Where did you pull that from.

Back to top

IP Logged

ImSpartacus2

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6913

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #58 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

It is the bases of your argument.You say the only job available is working in a coal mine.Do you work in a coal mine? meanwhile you are willing to destroy agricultural jobs via driving the climate into a tail spin.What of all the people reliant on food and the economy based around food. We have a choice between coal or food.

really? now you want to tell me what I'm arguing for? Grin

there are estimated to be about 100 000 directly employed by mining, and probably ten times that amount indirectly ... when you address their needs I will take you seriously .. if you think your stupid 'what if the world ended' scenarios are an argument, you are kidding yourself.

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated. Each Australian farmer produces enough food to feed 600 people, 150 at home and 450 overseas. Australian farmers produce almost 93 percent of Australia’s daily domestic food supply.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

yes, and every single one of them will cease to exist because of mining? Cheesy

see, this is the sort of logic that has me convinced the greens are lunatic fringe dwellers.

The science tells us the world is facing a strong possibility of a catastrophic threat and that it may be too late unless we act quickly. In those circumstances it doesn't make much sense to say yeah but we cant take any steps that may threaten jobs. I agree the burden of transition must be born by all of us but to simply continue as we are going because its the way we have been doing things up to now is not very sensible in view of the risk.

I have no problem with transitioning to greener energy, in fact I've been advocating it for years

(yes i know you have)

.. its stupid comments like 'the greens would stop all mining within 5 years' that I have a problem with. Transitioning from one system to another must take place at its own speed ... as more and more people switch to alternative energy less and less mining activity will take place, price of coal powered energy will go up to try and compensate for losses thereby increasing the rate of take up of alternate energies.

You can't just say stop all mining tomorrow. You won't change anything and people will still starve to death because they've no way to buy to the food they need.

But you will agree wont you that if the science is telling us that we only have 5 years to change then we have no choice but to change in 5 years. If the science says we have more time then of course we should make the transition as painless as possible.

Back to top

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Greens Will Step Up The Attack On Coal.
Reply #59 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

There are approximately 134,000 farm businesses in Australia, 99 percent of which are family owned and operated.

As of 2010-11, there are 307,000 people employed in Australian agriculture. The complete agricultural supply chain, including the affiliated food and fibre industries, provide over 1.6 million jobs to the Australian economy.

www.nff.org.au/farm-facts.html

This is what you are wanting to write off by driving the climate out of control, via digging up coal and burning it.

The Greens don't care about our farmers, they want to bugger them over by banning live exports.

http://greensmps.org.au/live-animal-exports

End coal mining,end uranium exports, end live exports the greens are giving their bongs and crack pipes a good workout.

End all our exports and import millions of muslims is what the greens want to do.

And obviously you don't care about what happens to the planet once you're dead. Well I do and I don't think your priorities for the short term benefit of farmers are more impritant then whats important for the long term benefit of the only planet we know can sustain life. IMO you need to get some perspective.

So do you. The human species (and a lot of other types of life) are very much capable of adapting to variations in climate and temperature ( both 'extreme' heat and 'extreme' cold). To work yourself into hysteria over the (badly) predicted 2C to 5C rise in average temperature is really quite laughable.

First, your claim that we can adapt is speculation. The science on the other hand is telling us is that there is a high likelihood that it will be catastrophic. Secondly, I'm not going to see my wonderful world distorted in ways that may or may not be for the better just because you have a primeval insatiable apatite for accumulating material wealth.

No, it's backed up by historical evidence. Humans (or our ancestors) first evolved under much warmer temperatures than currently exist, and probably warmer than the worst of the predictions, and humans managed to adapt to and survive during the last Glaciation, which was far colder than now.

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged