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Julius Abbott Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 792 Gender:	Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:11pm Liberal backbenchers Andrew Laming, Warren Entsch lead charge to abolish knights and dames http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-02/laming-entsch-lead-charge-to-abolish-knigh...
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Reply #1 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

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Reply #2 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Your missing the point , the LNP backbench has turned on Abort, nothing will stop the momentum.

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Reply #3 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:30pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

John Howard had a pretty good answer to that when Knighthoods were reintroduced:
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Former Liberal prime minister John Howard has disagreed with the decision to reinstitute knights and dames into the Australian honours system and said it was ''unlikely'' he would accept an offer of a knighthood should it be offered.

The Australian Financial Review reports that Mr Howard stood by his long-held view that such a move would be considered ''somewhat anachronistic'', even by conservatives.

Mr Howard indicated that, because of his views, and the fact that he never entered politics to receive honours, it was unlikely he would accept a knighthood should one ever be offered.

I would post a link, but you can’t unless you have made 100 posts. It was from an SMH article dated March 27, 2014.

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Reply #4 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:37pm

Wolseley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

John Howard had a pretty good answer to that when Knighthoods were reintroduced:
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Former Liberal prime minister John Howard has disagreed with the decision to reinstitute knights and dames into the Australian honours system and said it was ''unlikely'' he would accept an offer of a knighthood should it be offered.

The Australian Financial Review reports that Mr Howard stood by his long-held view that such a move would be considered ''somewhat anachronistic'', even by conservatives.

Mr Howard indicated that, because of his views, and the fact that he never entered politics to receive honours, it was unlikely he would accept a knighthood should one ever be offered.

I would post a link, but you can’t unless you have made 100 posts. It was from an SMH article dated March 27, 2014.

Well sure he's saying that.... Now.... But before....

Monarchy itself is anachronistic in the Australian context... We have prostrated ourselves to the US - staunchly anti-monarchist for 240 years...

How much more anachronistic can a nation be as a modern state and once colony to an imperial nation ?

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Reply #5 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Tony Abbott has once again shown he is out of touch with the Australian public who are rejecting his reform agenda in growing numbers.....Bringing back Knighthoods has been a disaster for Abbott who continues to surprise everyone with his captains picks and backflips!!!

Huh

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Reply #6 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: Monarchy itself is anachronistic in the Australian context... But knighthoods even more so.
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Reply #7 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Tony Abbott has once again shown he is out of touch with the Australian public who are rejecting his reform agenda in growing numbers.....Bringing back Knighthoods has been a disaster for Abbott who continues to surprise everyone with his captains picks and backflips!!!

Huh

Out of touch with a nation that voted against a republic and for a monarchy?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Reply #8 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:46pm Wolseley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: Monarchy itself is anachronistic in the Australian context... But knighthoods even more so. Then its a question of degree? Monarchy is dumb... Knighthoods stupid... So... dumb we may be but stupid we're not?!
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Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:53pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Because the 'vocal minority' (that did NOT get their way in the Referendum) are desperately scrabbling for ANY reason to be anger at Tony Abbott, probably because he actually won the election against Rudd, which upsets the 10% or 20% of voters who feel that ONLY their votes should be counted...

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Reply #10 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Then its a question of degree? Monarchy is dumb... Knighthoods stupid... So... dumb we may be but stupid we're not?! You could put it like that.
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Reply #11 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Tony Abbott has once again shown he is out of touch with the Australian public who are rejecting his reform agenda in growing numbers.....Bringing back Knighthoods has been a disaster for Abbott who continues to surprise everyone with his captains picks and backflips!!!

Huh

Out of touch with a nation that voted against a republic and for a monarchy?

It was the model put forward that the public rejected but we will not have a republic any time soon.....The majority of Australians oppose the reintroduction of Knighthoods and especially the Knighting of Prince Philip.....The Monarchy question is a different debate!!!

Huh

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Reply #12 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:25pm Wolseley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Then its a question of degree? Monarchy is dumb... Knighthoods stupid... So... dumb we may be but stupid we're not?! You could put it like that. The qualification, however, would not apply to Abbott.
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Reply #13 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21pm:

As I said somewhere else here...

The big (unacknowledged) joke, with regard to the reintroduction of titles and to Prince Phillip's knighthood, is the schizophrenic nature of Australian society.

Why should the Prime Minister of a nation - that voted NO to a republic - that voted to preserve its monarchy (and the status of its privileged aristocrats) - be chasitised or censured in any way for reinstating knighthoods or honouring an aristocrat with a title?

Tony Abbott has once again shown he is out of touch with the Australian public who are rejecting his reform agenda in growing numbers.....Bringing back Knighthoods has been a disaster for Abbott who continues to surprise everyone with his captains picks and backflips!!!

Huh

Out of touch with a nation that voted against a republic and for a monarchy?

It was the model put forward that the public rejected but we will not have a republic any time soon.....The majority of Australians oppose the reintroduction of Knighthoods and especially the Knighting of Prince Philip.....The Monarchy question is a different debate!!!

Huh

Why that different a debate?

If monarchy is effectively the unearned (by merit) bestowing of privilege of the royal few over the non-aristocratic many... How much of a leap is it, in a monarchic state, to honour an aristocrat with a knighthood?

Why does 'monarchist Australia' begrudge a knighthood to anyone... Even an aristocrat?

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Knighthoods An Embarrassment For Liberals Reply #14 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm: Why that different a debate? Because they are two different things.
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