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Reply #75 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
You missed one percepts

External Debt to GDP Ratio - Australia: 146.29% (a rise of 53.8% since early 2011)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

Not good all that money disappearing overseas just when we need it. Is this the debt that's costing us $700 million a month just in interest ? I think it might be. I don't think the Labor party would give a damn, they'll just lay it on future generations to pay it off. Future generations will need to wake up, but no one should hold their breath waiting for that to happen

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Reply #76 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:01pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 11:14am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:35am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:57am:
I read what Hokey said. He lied.


hmm ok.....and you have evidence of this lie?


Just read the press accounts.


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Reply #77 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:15pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:15am:
The largest increase in debt from public spending in 1 year came under the last Government.
In their first year in charge. Colossal spend it was too. Plunged the budget from surplus to deficit.


the GFC never happened did it ..  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

and you pretend to be an accountant


Swan was still blaming the GFC years after the effects had long since passed. Oops! Try again. What's your next excuse?


were still feeling some of the effects you dope.
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Reply #78 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
RUNVS wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:54pm:
Why is the F-35 mentioned in the first post? That was Howard's idea Abbott bought more of the plane recently. Nothing really to do with Labor.


Because the OP was written by the village idiot
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Reply #79 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
RUNVS wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:54pm:
Why is the F-35 mentioned in the first post? That was Howard's idea Abbott bought more of the plane recently. Nothing really to do with Labor.


Because the OP was written by the village idiot

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Reply #80 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:17pm
 
The Lib supporters all miss the point that all the Lieberals have done is to make the debt grow much worse much quicker.

Blaming Labor while their guys are going out the back door in a hurry with no help from anyone.

The Lieberals are well into their second year in office and still behave like they took government yesterday, the no excuses government still looking to blame anyone but themselves.
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Reply #81 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:17pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
were still feeling some of the effects you dope


Yeah we need a hell of a lot more Libacilin to cure us from the near fatal dose of Laboritus.... Grin Grin Cheesy
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Reply #82 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:19pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
were still feeling some of the effects you dope


Yeah we need a hell of a lot more Libacilin to cure us from the near fatal dose of Laboritus.... Grin Grin Cheesy


you need to work on building up your immunity ... whats the matter? wrapped up in cotton wool as a youngster?
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Re: Labor's debt is crippling the nation
Reply #83 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:24pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
You missed one percepts

External Debt to GDP Ratio - Australia: 146.29% (a rise of 53.8% since early 2011)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

Not good all that money disappearing overseas just when we need it. Is this the debt that's costing us $700 million a month just in interest ? I think it might be. I don't think the Labor party would give a damn, they'll just lay it on future generations to pay it off. Future generations will need to wake up, but no one should hold their breath waiting for that to happen

Did you notice the communist running Greece now? I heard he's a Greek Aussie! Probably had plenty of Labor party mentors. Good Bye Greece


Sorry for the delay, it's been a busy day!

In fact, External Debt is not one that I missed, I just wouldn't include it in with the sort of information I gave, in my post (Reply 74) on this thread earlier today.

The basic reason being, my earlier post was primarily about "Australian Government Debt" & related issues, whereas the External Debt is described as follows -
External debt (or foreign debt) is the total debt a country owes to foreign creditors.
The debtors can be the government, corporations or citizens of that country.

In other words, External Debt (or foreign debt) is the total Debt a country owes to foreign creditors, by Governments, Business & individuals.

What I was referring to was purely Government Debt and did not include Business &/or Private individuals Debt, as the Australian Public are not responsible for the Debts of those Businesses &/or Private individuals!


I hope that helps.

As for the Greeks, their cause is lost & it has been, for a while.



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Reply #84 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 11:10pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:24pm:
What I was referring to was purely Government Debt and did not include Business &/or Private individuals Debt, as the Australian Public are not responsible for the Debts of those Businesses &/or Private individuals!


They're all the same to me and successive Governments' must ultimately take responsibility for the detrimental effects debt has on the nation. The Libs and Labs are finished anyway, I'm perplexed why we even keep talking about them

Some posters here might remember me saying after the election that Abbott will go the same way as Gillard : ".....but take comfort Laborites, the same thing will happen to Abbott" ... is what I said

The knives came out for Gillard, now they're coming out for Abbott

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Reply #85 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 4:32am
 
It would be nice if the problems facing the public finance are acknowledged:

1. Costello’s structural Budget deficit which is now a cash deficit: too much spending, too little tax

2. The high indebtedness of the private sector now dragging down economic activity

Both of these were revealed once the GFC crashed the real estate boom 2001–7. The way to fix the Budget is pretty obvious, pity then that monkey & Hokey are not doing that, and that monkey wants to remove means testing of the private health care rebate and bring in his stupid PPL brainfart.

The other problem we have—what to do to replace mining. Here the NBN could have played a major role—if it is Turnbull that replaces monkey then I hope he starts running out FTTH even if only to twist the knife, the result will be a huge improvement to the economy.

If Abbott is not replaced the root causes of our Budgetary woes will not be addressed and I shudder to think what our debt will be late next year when the next election is due. We cannot afford government by brainfart for much longer!

If, as seems more and more likely, Abbott is replaced his successor will go nowhere unless policies to deal with the underlying causes of our problem are addressed and that will be the more difficult act.
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Reply #86 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 6:23am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
were still feeling some of the effects you dope


Yeah we need a hell of a lot more Libacilin to cure us from the near fatal dose of Laboritus....


A case where the cure has proven to be worse than the disease.

The fact that you can't fix debt by doubling it is fairly obvious, somehow the conservatives have just lost the plot.
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Reply #87 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 6:34am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:24pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
You missed one percepts

External Debt to GDP Ratio - Australia: 146.29% (a rise of 53.8% since early 2011)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

Not good all that money disappearing overseas just when we need it. Is this the debt that's costing us $700 million a month just in interest ? I think it might be. I don't think the Labor party would give a damn, they'll just lay it on future generations to pay it off. Future generations will need to wake up, but no one should hold their breath waiting for that to happen

Did you notice the communist running Greece now? I heard he's a Greek Aussie! Probably had plenty of Labor party mentors. Good Bye Greece


Sorry for the delay, it's been a busy day!

In fact, External Debt is not one that I missed, I just wouldn't include it in with the sort of information I gave, in my post (Reply 74) on this thread earlier today.

The basic reason being, my earlier post was primarily about "Australian Government Debt" & related issues, whereas the External Debt is described as follows -
External debt (or foreign debt) is the total debt a country owes to foreign creditors.
The debtors can be the government, corporations or citizens of that country.

In other words, External Debt (or foreign debt) is the total Debt a country owes to foreign creditors, by Governments, Business & individuals.

What I was referring to was purely Government Debt and did not include Business &/or Private individuals Debt, as the Australian Public are not responsible for the Debts of those Businesses &/or Private individuals!


I hope that helps.

As for the Greeks, their cause is lost & it has been, for a while.



How can you say this considering that John Howard and Peter Costello ran their whole 1996 election based on the emergency related to international debt. The debt truck toured Australia telling everyone how Labor had failed on international debt.

Funny thing was that once in power foreign debt was one thing that Howard and Costello quietly watch blow out while doing nothing about it.

That is right the premise on which the first Howard government were elected was a failure and now we see that if the post here is credible it was all a lie.

Who would believe a Lieberal Leader taking lies to an election ? Whoops sorry too silly doing that was king ratty's specialty, as I recall he based all his election campaigns on very significant lies.
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Reply #88 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 6:38am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
RUNVS wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:54pm:
Why is the F-35 mentioned in the first post? That was Howard's idea Abbott bought more of the plane recently. Nothing really to do with Labor.


Because the OP was written by the village idiot


That is not very nice, you have hurt the feelings of village idiots all over the world. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Only joking I am sure that whoever the writer was is up to the standard of the average village idiot.

Damn - I seem to be digging a deeper hole - I feel like a conservative.

(I have heard that they taste bad).
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Reply #89 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 7:14am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 7:55am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 7:51am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 7:46am:
Swan has a record that many treasurers would be proud of including an ex PM when treasurer.


Yes he spent like an 18 year old blonde bimbo with her first Visa card... Grin



No Howard was a tight arse who got us into trouble the opposite way.

Swan cut back significantly in every budget except for the stimulus period.


You're serious right?


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